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Contents 1 Citizenship by Descent 2 Trans-Canada Highway 3 To help with Canadian Deletion sorting.. 4 Recognizing Quebec as Bilingual 5 Archiving, again 6 City infoboxes 7 Flag icons 8 Members of Parliament 9 Hoping to feature Canadian postal code 10 Introducing Template:CBC Series Dir 11 WikiProject Canadian TV shows 12 Please help settle a stalemate on Canadian science fiction 13 New Template 14 Provinicial/territorial topic coverage 15 Huge Issue Not Adressed 16 Ann Coulter 17 Standardizing lists of premiers 18 Category:Canadian Forces 19 Robert Pickton 20 PEI Tenant League 21 Joe Volpe 22 Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal 23 Vancouver BC, and cities in general 24 Missing images 25 Collaboration 26 Cats by province 27 Sports in Canada 28 Just a heads up. Template:Infobox_City_Canada up for deletion. 29 2007 Canada Games 30 Possible featured topic in the near future 31 Quebec or Québec? 32 Translation of French Lyrics 33 MP lists 34 Statistics Canada population counts 35 Music 36 Position of census data in the article 37 Canadian of English descent vs English-Canadian

[edit] Citizenship by Descent

Hello: I think that Canada needs to change their citizenship by descent policy. I am a 31 year old male who was born before Canada allowed dual citizenship. I am actually for dual citizenship. However Canada has a policy that I think is guilty of discrimination by both age and date of birth.

My father before he died was eligible for citizenship by Canada's newest citizenship law. He was born in Massachusetts like me, however his father was born in Canada. Now comes what I think is discrimiatory. For 2nd generation descendants, they have to be born after Feb 15th, 1977 and be under 28 years of age.

My brother and sister are younger than me and are both under 28. They are therefore of both date of birth and age, where if my father applied for citizenship, then both my brother and sister could have also applied for citizenship the same way as my father, by heritage. But at my age and date of birth I don't qualify. I myself was born before Feb 15th, 1977 and am 31. My parents split up when I was a child, and did not find out about my heritage until I was 29. Therefore it is possible that people might not find out about their heritage until it is too late.

It is one thing if only first generation descendants were allowed to apply for citizenship, and if all second generation descandants were not able to apply. However it needs to be where everyone of a generation should be able to apply or not at all. Chris M McLeod 16:18, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

You should probably find an immigration forum website to discuss issues like this. There are many U.S. laws that don't make sense also (try rebalancing your RRSP while living in the U.S. -- the SEC won't let you because it's not managed by a U.S. broker). But non-citizens don't get a vote and so don't get much of a say. That's life. Deet 01:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trans-Canada Highway

Need a quick clarification from somebody who's knowledgeable on the subject, because I'm running into a bit of an issue with conflicting sources: is the Highway 11/Highway 71 route from Shabaqua to Kenora designated as part of the TCH? Most sources say yes, but I've also seen sources that don't have it designated that way, so I thought I should double-check before asking Qyd to update it on his TCH map graphic. Thanks. Bearcat 02:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

One could consider the current edition of the Official Road Map of Ontario to be sufficiently authoritative [1]. The map labels separate branches of the TCH between Kenora and Thunder Bay: 17 and 11/71. See also a Transport Canada (federal government) backgrounder, which indicates 11/71 were designated by Ontario outside the original Trans-Canada Highway Act. Dl2000 03:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To help with Canadian Deletion sorting..

I created a JS a while ago that is similar to {{deltab}} at User:Royalguard11/canadadel.js. The difference is that it points to Wikipedia:Canadian wikipedians' notice board#Candidates for deletion instead of Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Canada. If anyone would like to use it, just add to your monobook.js {{subst:js|User:Royalguard11/canadadel.js}}, which adds a tab at the top. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 18:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recognizing Quebec as Bilingual

In the section "language" in the Canada article it states:

"No provinces other than Quebec and New Brunswick have constitutionally official language(s) as such, but French is used as a language of instruction, in courts, and other government services in all of the majority English or Inuktitut speaking provinces and territories"

Since Quebec never officially signed the constituition it does not officially recognize english as a language. So is it correct to state this of both Quebec and New Brunswick when it is in-fact only true of Quebec?

Note that the Charter doesn't actuallly say anything about Quebec. There are no constitutional protections for language in Quebec. But, Quebec is still bound by the Constitution and the Charter. The only "official" language per Bill 101 is the French language. That being said, Qubec is de facto bilingual, especially the Montreal area. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 05:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe New Brunswick is the only officially bilingual province, at least it claims to be so[2]. 6th estate 04:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Archiving, again

This is more about the page itself, but would anyone object to EssjayBot II archiving this page for us? Lots of it is several months old. If we do, then the only thing I believe we need to decide is how long before archiving (like a week or two is probably good). Anyone object? -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 04:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, since nobody's objected, then I assume that we can continue (or that nobody cares). Does anyone object to a timeline of 2 weeks for archiving? -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 02:01, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd suggest a little bit longer than two weeks; say, a month. I can easily see — in fact, have seen — situations where a discussion may have concluded but would still need to be left "on the front page", so to speak, for longer than two weeks so people can review and consult it if needed. Bearcat 06:19, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Anyone object to a month then? -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 23:06, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'm going to ask Essjay to set up EssjayBot II to archive this page. The time frame I'll ask for will be a month after the last date stamp. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 01:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

The bot is now active; for some reason, it hiccupped trying to archive to archive 7 (which was almost at it's limit anyway) so I had it create archive 8. Everything else should be fine, if you notice any errors, please report them on my talk page. Essjay (Talk) 11:39, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Just FYI, it's currently set to 30 days, and the archives will be a max of 80kb. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 19:43, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] City infoboxes

Can somebody help me figure out why the city infobox on Timmins, Ontario won't display the location map, even though it's got the correct filename in the correct template field? Bearcat 07:30, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Apparently the 250px thumb 250px-Ontario-timmins.PNG is broken. Other thumb sizes seem to work 260px-Ontario-timmins.PNG. Re-uploading the image might fix this. Another solution is to substitute the template, then change the thumb size. On a sidenote, {{Infobox City Canada}} has grown so complex, it's hard to use, and documentation did not keep up with the template evolution. {{Infobox City}} is a good alternative. --Qyd 18:31, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flag icons

I'm not happy about flags appearing in infoboxes on biographies but I'm willing to put up with them. However, I think we need to be consistent. So should Canadians have the flag in use at the time of their birth or the current flag? I think the one in use at the time but I think some people are not going to like seeing the older flags. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 21:14, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

• I don't see why they are necessary at all. The place of birth is identified using words. Why are flag icons needed? If someone as born in Toronto, would we have the Toronto, Ontario and and Canadian flags all lined up? And why not coats of arms or floral or animal symbols? I vote to delete the flag icons. Ground Zero | t 22:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you but there seems to be no clear consensus on the matter. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 08:44, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. My understanding is that throughout the English Wikipedia flag icons used in this way are the current flag, not the flag at the time of birth of the individual in question. I can see arguments for both sides in the case of Canada, but what about the States, where the flag changed each time a new state was added, or the case of people born in the USSR, but of various nationalities? Also, my sense is that the flags represent nationality rather more than nation of birth, but I don't see that there is any hard and fast rule on the matter. Coffeehood 01:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

But how do you decide nationality. The one at the time of birth or the one at the time of death. Also, why would someone who was born and died before the current flag was in use have that flag, see Charles Tupper or John Abbott. I think it's a matter of historical accuracy. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Members of Parliament

Some of the MPs who were elected to the House of Commons for the first time in the 2006 election have not yet been added to the alphabetical lists of MPs (List of Members of the Canadian House of Commons - A, List of Members of the Canadian House of Commons - B, etc.) Some have, but they appear to have been one-shot additions as absences were noticed; nobody as of yet has gone through to verify that all of the new MPs were properly listed. Because it can be a bit of a time-consuming process crossreferencing lists against lists, I'd like to propose an ad hoc mini-project in which several people take responsibility for updating two or three or four letters each, rather than leaving the whole job to one person.

I'm willing to do part of this work, but I don't want to take on responsibility for the whole thing by myself. Bearcat 08:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I've completed A and B. E, I, J, Y and Z also verified. Bearcat 09:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hoping to feature Canadian postal code

I've worked on this article for quite a bit, but I need to cite as much of this article's information as I can before it can be featured. I tried contacting User:SimonP because I believe he knows where the information in the article's history section can be precisely verified, but so far, he hasn't responded. He told me the info is in the online archives of The Globe and Mail, but I don't have access to that resource. Can anyone else help? --  Denelson83  04:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I do have access to the Globe and Mail as well as the Toronto Star archives. I'll work on getting some references over the next few days. Canadiana 07:33, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Introducing Template:CBC Series Dir

For articles on older CBC Television Series, there is now a template to add reference links to the relevant program descriptions on the Queen's University Directory of CBC Television Series. It is available at {{CBC Series Dir}}, and includes usage notes. Dl2000 03:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Canadian TV shows

The Wikiproject Canadian TV Shows has recently started up and is looking for people to help out. The projects current goal is to get articles on Canadian TV Shows properly organized. Any help would be appreciated. JQF • Talk • Contribs 22:32, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please help settle a stalemate on Canadian science fiction

Hi. Could someone please help settle a debate on Canadian science fiction. We are talking about what shows should be listed under the title of "Canadian". User:Avt tor feels that anything filmed in Canada counts as Canadian, whereas I feel that something should have some Canadian creative input to get the title. I have tried to propose a middle ground of splitting the list so that we can both get our way, but he will not allow any compromise. --Arctic Gnome 08:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Template

I've been working on a new template for the Histories of the Provinces. See here:

v • d • e History of the Provinces and territories of Canada
Federal:	History of Canada
Provinces:	British Columbia • Alberta • Saskatchewan • Manitoba • Ontario • Quebec New Brunswick • Nova Scotia • Prince Edward Island • Newfoundland and Labrador
Territories:	Yukon • Northwest Territories • Nunavut

Do you think we need it? And is this the right format for it? Thanks. Kevlar67 02:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I like the {{Navbox generic}} template (rather with the default width of 100% though, for consistent alignament on pages with multiple navboxes). Tom on the other hand reported accessibility problems with ths particular template. {{Navigation}} would be an aternative. Nice work. --Qyd 15:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Provinicial/territorial topic coverage

I saw the template above, and being shocked at the number of provinces lacking dedicated history articles. So, I decided to try and quickly work out how patchy/complete coverage of various provincial topics were, which resulted in the table below. (Each topic is done by a template, not by hand). Anyway, the table below shouldn't need any further explanation.

Topic	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YU • NT • NU	Articles
Lists of communities	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YU • NT • NU	13 (all)
Lists of highways	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YU • NT • NU	13 (all)
Lists of lieutenant-governors	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL •      • NT	11 (all)
Lists of commissioners	YU • NT • NU	3 (all)
Lists of general elections	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YU • NT • NU	13 (all)
Lists of premiers	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YU • NT • NU	13 (all)
Premier	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YU • NT • NU	13 (all)
Geography	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YU • NT • NU	13 (all)
Same-sex marriage	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YU • NT • NU	13 (all)
Scouting	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YU • NT • NU	13 (all)
Lists of airports	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YU • NT • NU	13 (all)
History	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YU • NT • NU	8
Politics	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YU • NT • NU	6
Monarchy in	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YU • NT • NU	10
Census divisions	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YU • NT • NU	8
Demographics	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YU • NT • NU	4
Education	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YU • NT • NU	2
Culture	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YU • NT • NU	2
Totals	18• 19• 16• 14• 18• 19• 13• 13• 10• 13• 8 • 9 •10

Any thoughts/comments? Tompw (talk) 12:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Great worklist (for Articles needed). I guess contributors were focused on cities and other pages, and the province articles fell behind. Not one of them is FA or even GA. Maybe it's time to return and revamp them. --Qyd 15:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I think a big problem is that many of them are tagged as being part of a provincial wikiproject, but not the federal one (which has many more members). I'll start adding {{WPCANADA}} tags to them. --Arctic Gnome 18:12, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

All Western Canada articles sorted into Wikiprojects. --Arctic Gnome 19:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

All Central Canada articles sorted into Wikiprojects. --Arctic Gnome 19:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

All Eastern Canada articles sorted into Wikiprojects. --Arctic Gnome 23:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

All Northern Canada articles sorted into Wikiprojects. --Arctic Gnome 23:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll now start making stub articles so we have somewhere to link to and start with. --Arctic Gnome 23:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

This is a good worklist, although I would suggest that in a couple of cases it may be misleading. Specifically, in the cases where you have separate sections for provincial vs. territorial topics (e.g. Lists of provincial highways vs. Lists of territorial highways, or Lieutenant Governors vs. Commissioners), the redlinks are almost entirely topics that genuinely shouldn't exist. Is there a way you could combine those pairs into single templates so that we can avoid the appearance of non-viable redlinks? I'm just a bit concerned that somebody less knowledgeable about Canada might see this and think that "List of Ontario territorial highways" or "List of Yukon provincial highways" are missing article topics, rather than nonsensical ones as they actually are. Also, the Yukon doesn't actually have census divisions per se — the whole territory is a single census division, so "List of Yukon census divisions" should maybe just be a redirect to Yukon, if anything at all. Bearcat 23:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair point... I dealt with Highways and lieutenant-governor/commissioners by subst'ing the templates and editing. (Yes, the NWT did have lieutenant-governors at one point, which I didn't know before I did all this). I did assume some intelligence on the part of the editor though. Anyway, the redlinks that are there are proper potential articles (plus/minus some use of the word "the" for YU and NWT). Tompw (talk) 00:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

After a quick fiddle with your sandbox by putting "the" in front of Yukon and NWT I found List of airports in the Yukon and List of airports in the Northwest Territories. There is also Category:Census divisions of the Canadian territories. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 16:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll add some redirects. I've had the same problem with "in PEI" verses "on PEI". --Arctic Gnome 17:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I did some tweaks so the "the" can be included. [Edit: more tweaks needed, methinks]. The "in PEI" vs. "on PEI" hadn't occurred to me... (though I would argue that the topics relate to stuff in the province, not on the island)... anyway, re-directs are good :-) Tompw (talk) 23:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, someone subst'ed the template... (but Parser functions don't subst, for some reason). I went through and added "the" where needed. Tompw (talk) 18:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I updated some of the table to keep up with the new/found articles. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 20:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

If we find anything that is titled "on PEI", we should probably move it to "in". Bearcat 00:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Should this table be added to Provinces and territories of Canada in the see also section (I find this indexed-by-province list very useful). --Qyd 16:50, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

That's actually a good idea, I think; it provides a helpful catalogue of sorts to the various "topic by province" links. Bearcat 06:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. --Qyd 22:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I ended up turning the table into a template: {{Canadian provinces summary table}}. --Qyd 23:26, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Topic	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
Politics	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
Lists of lieutenant-governors	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL •       • NT
Lists of commissioners	YT • NT • NU
Lists of general elections	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
Lists of premiers	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
Premier	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
Monarchy in	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
Same-sex marriage	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
Geography	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
Demographics	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
Lists of communities	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
Rivers	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
Census divisions	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
Parks	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PE • NL • YT • NT • NU
Lists of airports	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
Lists of highways	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
History	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
Symbols	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
Scouting	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
Education	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
Culture	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PEI • NL • YT • NT • NU
Music	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PE • NL • YT • NT • NU
Topics	BC • AB • SK • MB • ON • QC • NB • NS • PE • NL • YT • NT • NU

[edit] Huge Issue Not Adressed

There was recently some unpleasantness over the issue of the terms White Canadian and European Canadian. I'm not here to re-hash the arguments over the pages that were set up for those terms. But I am concerned about their use in other Canadian-history articles. I belive when talking about "caucasian" settlers moving from Ontario and Quebec to Alberta, to differenciate them from First Nations, we should call them White settlers, not European. European should be reserved for people who came directly from Ireland or Ukraine or Germany. Can we and should we have a common standard on this issue for Cnd History articles? Kevlar67 08:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

When contrasting them with natives, maybe the term "colonists" would be better. The term "European" implies a first generation immigrant, which many were not; and the term "white" excludes other immigrants, such as blacks and Chinese (and maybe even eastern Europeans), which were all present in fairly high numbers by the 1800s. --Arctic Gnome 09:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

While that's true, it's also the case that black and Asian Canadians weren't exactly moving in large numbers to the Prairies at that point in Canadian history; the Asian immigrants were concentrated primarily in British Columbia, and the blacks were mostly in Southwestern Ontario and Nova Scotia. To determine appropriate terminologies, we need to be clear on what was actually happening demographically at any given time — early Prairie settlement did primarily involve people of European heritage, and who were often — although certainly not always — brand new immigrants. Black and Asian settlement on the Prairies mostly occurred later on. Bearcat 23:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

My problem with "colonists" is confusion with the legal / political meaning of that term, someone who lives in a British colony. I think that experiences of a Ontarian moving to Fort Gary in 1870 is quite different from a Ukrainian arriving in Dauphin in 1900, and using "European" for both obscures this. The discussion first came up over Westlock, Alberta, which the local history describes as being founded by Irish-Americans. I don't think they are "Europeans", but are certainly "White". Kevlar67 02:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ann Coulter

There is a debate at Talk:Ann_Coulter#Ann_Coulter_contradicted_by_a_CBC_reporter regarding Canada's role in the Vietnam War and Ann Coulter's claim that Canada sent troops. Sixth Estate 14:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Standardizing lists of premiers

Now that the election timelines are all standardized and featured, political lists buffs may want to help out with the lists of premiers. Check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Government of Canada/first ministers. --Arctic Gnome 19:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Canadian first ministers articles
List	Canada format	images	exact dates	assemblies	elections	ridings	ridings references	intro	references / as templates	status
List of Prime Ministers of Canada	YES	ALL	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	FL
List of British Columbia premiers	NO	19 missing	YES	NO	NO	NO	NO	YES	NO	B
List of Alberta premiers	NO	ALL	YES	NO	NO	NO	NO	YES	YES	FL
List of Saskatchewan premiers	YES	1 missing	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	FL
List of Manitoba premiers	NO	11 missing	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	YES	NO	B
List of Ontario premiers	YES	9 missing	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	FL
List of Quebec premiers	YES	ALL	YES	YES	YES	NO	NO	YES	YES	FL
List of New Brunswick premiers	NO	12 missing	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	YES	YES	B
List of Nova Scotia premiers	NO	20 missing	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	YES	YES/NO	B
List of Prince Edward Island premiers	NO	20 missing	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	YES	NO	B
List of Newfoundland and Labrador premiers	NO	11 missing	YES	NO	NO	NO	NO	YES	NO	B
List of Yukon premiers	YES	6 missing	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	B
List of Northwest Territories premiers	NO	28 missing	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	B
List of Nunavut premiers	YES	ALL	YES	YES	YES	YES	NO	NO	NO	B
List of Joint Premiers of the Province of Canada	n/a	1 missing	YES	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	B

• Got images for all the Saskatchewan Premiers. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 23:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• All provinces now have intros. --Arctic Gnome 20:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
• I believe that Arctic Gnome's gone and finished Saskatchewan then. I think it just needs the refs for the ridings and assembly numbers. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 04:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • It also needs the ridings for about half of the premiers. Once we find references for them I'll fill them out and it will be ready for a FL nomination. --Arctic Gnome 04:41, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Done. --Arctic Gnome 16:26, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
• Got all the images for Quebec. --Arctic Gnome 18:14, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Did all the elections for Quebec. Now nominating it at WP:FLC. --Arctic Gnome 20:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Quebec is now featured, but Saskatchewan lost an image. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 18:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
      • It unfortunate that nobody (including myself) didn't scan the pictures first to make sure that copyrights were in place. That first fair use criteria is deadly. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 21:00, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
        • It is indeed. Ontario has gone from having a full set of photos to missing 9. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 07:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Canadian Forces

Category:Canadian Forces is up for merging with Category:Military of Canada, which is odd, since Category:Royal Canadian Air Force and Category:Royal Canaadian Navy are not being considered, even though CF is a force structure just like the RCAF, RCN, and CA it replaced. see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_January_18#Category:Canadian_Forces

70.51.8.140 07:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Robert Pickton

As many of you know, Robert (Willie) Pickton is currently on trial in Vancouver for 6 counts of first-degree murder. His Wikipedia page is undoubtedly going to sustain elevated levels of vandalism and unhelpful edits, in particular his addition to the 'Canadian serial killers' category to which, per WP:BLP he must not be added until there is a reliable source supporting the inclusion. I ask that readers add this page to your watchlists so we can keep on top of it. Thanks in advance. Anchoress 02:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PEI Tenant League

I just created this page today, but now realized that the name might not be terribly well thought out. Most people I know who call it anything call it the PEI Tenant's League or PEI Tenants' League. What about P.E.I.? Maybe those should be reidirects? Thoughts?--Markdsgraham 00:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

According to google, many places seem to call it The Tenant League of Prince Edward Island, although These guys call it just the The Tenant League. Since there's no article on The Tenant League, I guess you're free to move it there. No reason to disambiguate if we don't have to. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 00:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Joe Volpe

Is it appropriate for a user to repeatedly remove an NPOV notice during a content dispute? ([3], [4]. CJCurrie 02:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal

Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal are up for renaming at WP:RM, discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Current Local City Time. They want them renamed to Ottawa, Ontario, Toronto, Ontario, Montreal, Quebec, even though these cities are obviously the primary meaning of Ottawa, Toronto, and Montreal. 70.51.9.156 06:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

FYI, the discussion at that page has been closed. It might be worth it to monitor Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) for a few days to see if anything comes up there. There has already been talk about the ownership of conventions that Bearcat brought up (I endorse it, and gave my opinion there). Unless there's something Canadian-centric to discuss, then we should do it there (unless we want to discuss Bearcat's changes). Maybe the best convention for Canadian cities is if Name of City is available, take it. If not, disambiguate (ie, City, Provence). Very KISS-like. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 04:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vancouver BC, and cities in general

At Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements), there are two discussions going on:

1. to make city names match the way Associated Press names them (thus introducing a significant US bias)
2. to make Vancouver a dab page (wasn't this handled already?)

70.51.9.114 06:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Missing images

Something seriously needs to be done about so many missing images, in particular, those of Canadian politicians. NorthernThunder 00:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Collaboration

I know that the CCOTW doesn't officially exist anymore, but I'd like to make a suggestion nonetheless: what say we try to improve Steven Truscott a bit now, in advance of the tidal wave that's inevitably going to hit it when the Court of Appeal makes its ruling later this year? Bearcat 02:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cats by province

you I was looking at Category:Categories by geographical location, adn I didn't like what I saw. You go in and look at that, and look at the excellent coverage we have in Category:Categories by country, Category:Categories by city, and even Category:Categories by state of the United States. Then compare that to the poor coverage we have on Category:Categories by province of Canada, this needs to be fixed. Kevlar67 22:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sports in Canada

I think the Sports in Canada section is missing some important sports. There is no mention of speed skating or figure skating. Don't we dominate speed skating? If bowling is there, these should be too. Perhaps even diving and synchro swimming. Does anyone else think these are important? CrayonsTasteLikePurple 19:54, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just a heads up. Template:Infobox_City_Canada up for deletion.

Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:Infobox_City_Canada —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CaribDigita (talk • contribs) 01:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] 2007 Canada Games

2007 Canada Winter Games have just started. Can people do updates for it? Ccccccccccc 06:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible featured topic in the near future

I'm hoping that one day there would be a featured topic on Canadian rapid transit. I am hoping for some help with the articles:

• Toronto subway and RT - many problems, bloated TOC, too listy, no citations, trivia section
• Montreal Metro - no inline citations
• Vancouver SkyTrain - in good shape, currently at FAC
• O-Train - needs expansion
• C-Train - needs expansion
• Edmonton Light Rail Transit - needs expansion
• Rapid transit in Canada - stub

Ideally, these should all be FAs, although GAs aren't bad. If anyone is interesting in helping out, let me know, Thanks, — Selmo ^(talk) 01:34, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quebec or Québec?

The issue has come up in revert wars over Quebec recently, with one annon changing all the Quebec's to Québec (none of them were linked). At Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(city_names)#Canada it does say that For communities whose names derive from the French language...Such a name should normally include the proper French accenting where appropriate, although a redirect should always be created at an unaccented title since many Wikipedians do not know how to type accented characters. Although the English Name is Quebec, the official and legal name in Québec is Québec. Any comments, ideas? -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 18:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Although Québec is the official name, that name is in the official language, French. For national and sub-national entity, the convention is to use the English name - hence why we have Germany rather than Deutschland, with the latter redirecting to the former. Also, we have New Brunswick rather than Nouveau-Brunswick (and NB is bilingual). So, as this is this the English wikipedia, we shoudl use the English name, with a redirect from the official (French) name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tompw (talk • contribs).

Quebec and Québec are two different words which fortuitously look close enough to one another that English-speakers can read and understand the French word. But that doesn't change the fact that a specific English-language term exists for the province which is quite phonetically different than the French version. It doesn't change the fact that using the French name verbatim in English language contexts is incredibly rare relative to the English form. The Canadian government is quite emphatic as treating Quebec and Québec as differently from each another as British Columbia is from Colombie-Brittanique, including in legal texts. Style guides for media useage are quite emphatic about the innapropriateness of Québec in English language contexts except where there's a clear need to articulate the French pronounciation or some sort of uniquely-Francophone understanding of the word.

So, to me it's open and shut. Article at "Quebec." English-language body text throughout the encyclopedia should be "Quebec" The Tom 21:31, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll add a note to that section to clarify, but it's standard in English to spell Quebec (and Montreal) without accents; to spell them with the accents, in English, is at the very least non-standard and quirky, though not explicitly incorrect as such. English usage is less clear-cut in the cases of smaller communities — for example, it would be very much incorrect to write "Trois Rivieres" instead of Trois-Rivières or "Riviere du Loup" instead of Rivière-du-Loup. But the policy is meant to be that we use the original French in cases where English usage does not show an unequivocal preference for an alternate spelling or name; when such a preference is quite clear and unmistakable, however, we use the English. Bearcat 23:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, looks like everyones on the same page there then. At least now we can say to the annon "look, we've discussed it and came to this decision" (I'm not sure if there's other discussion other places or buried in archives). Thanks for the feedback. -Royalguard11(Talk·Review Me!) 03:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Just to add my two cents, a little bit late -- when there is a well-established English version of a place name, that is the name we use in the English-language Wikipedia. Therefore, we use Quebec, not Québec, for the same reason we refer to Warsaw (not Warszawa), Munich (not München), Prague (not Praha) and Beijing (not 北京), to name a few. This issue has come up many times before, especially in respect of Montreal vs. Montréal. I would suggest that the relevant guideline is Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names), which states that we should be using the widely-accepted English-language name where one exists. Skeezix1000 17:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Translation of French Lyrics

The translation is not as good as it could be, but it get's the point across. However, this section is done improperly and does not convey the real meaning.

"Though your arm knows how to bear the sword, It knows how to bear the cross!"

I understand the difficulty of translating this, as the french must be used in context. But the real meaning is closer to this.

"For your arm knows bearing (or has borne) the sword, It has known bearing the cross"

I know it cannot be said like this, I understand this. But rather then it meaning "Knows how to", it means "Has known", as in "Canada has borne the sword, Canada has borne the cross".

Perhaps someone can correct it.

Sorry I couldn't do it myself. I don't really know how.

Thanks folks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Schme (talk • contribs) 14:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] MP lists

About three months ago, I proposed a potential reformatting of the alphabetical MP lists into tables, but to date my proposal has had no response either way. Could I get some feedback on whether the proposal is worthwhile or not? See Talk:List of Members of the Canadian House of Commons - A. Thanks. Bearcat 21:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it would certainly improve those lists. - SimonP 13:51, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Statistics Canada population counts

I just wanted to remind everyone that StatsCan will be releasing population and dwelling data tomorrow. The census data will include the usual CMA, CD and CSD information; I'm not sure if the Dissemination area data will also be released; it may require payment.

We should expect some activity on articles about Canadian cities and towns, so let's be a bit more vigilant and ensure the changes are accurate. You should be able to get the data from this page (or the Community profiles 2006 page) on StatsCan's website. If not, start your search for the data here. Mindmatrix 01:17, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

A discussion has been taking place over at Talk:Ottawa surrounding the most appropriate figures to cite for population. Given that Statistics Canada believes there is approximately 3% of Canadians who have not been counted, one user suggested that the population estimate (not yet released by StatsCan) is the more accurate measure. Alternatives discussed have included: using the raw count number released this week, only using the population estimates, or finding a way to include both figures (since neither will be an exact population count). - Cafemusique 18:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll post the link on Statistics Canada's page dealing with this matter. As far as they are concerned, the population estimate is the official population figure, but I'll leave it up to the rest of you to decide either way.

[Differences between Statistics Canada’s census counts and population estimates] Jamincan 02:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

We should probably include the census data, but note the issue in the citation attached to each population number. Moreover, the footnote for the citation could include a link to Canada 2006 Census, which clearly needs to be updated to include a discussion about this issue (and other info, such as release dates, data series provided, etc.). I'm not certain whether we should include post-censal data; articles for cities like Toronto or Montreal would have three figures (city, greater region, CMA) for census and post-censal stats in the infoboxes, which would make them messy. The biggest problem with post-censal stats is that the preliminary figures will be released in March 2008, and the final figures in September 2008. Mindmatrix 15:49, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Music

I've started a new WikiProject to work on articles relating to Canadian music. It's located at Wikipedia:WikiProject Canadian music. This is meant to cover all aspects of Canadian music as thoroughly as possible, not just mainstream pop and rock music, so if you have expertise and knowledge in any genre of music — especially if you can contribute in a genre or a time period that isn't adequately covered right now! — please do come help out.

One of the first projects I've identified is that we really need to start cleaning up the dog's breakfast that Music of Canada itself has turned into, so I've started a discussion on that article's talk page to get some ideas going for how we can improve it. This need has been identified more than once in the past, but it's a daunting task that can't be easily accomplished by just one person, and thus it's always fallen by the wayside. So let's get some discussion going and really get that article cleaned up this time. Bearcat 22:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Position of census data in the article

I noticed this edit. Do others think that this is the correct place for the population? I could not find communities in other countries that had the population like that, though no doubt there are some. My concern is what information will be added next, area, density, founding date? We have infoboxes and sections on demographics that the information could be used. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the population should not come before the most essential geographical information. If it should stay, the format should become proper, like (2006 population: 381). Maybe the first sentence of any article can end with "...with a population of 1,234." But not if there's an infobox directly to the right. In Avonlea, Saskatchewan, it is unnecessary because the table is just 2 lines below. In Baker Lake, Nunavut, the population increase is mentioned 2 sentences later, so the actual population can be merged with that sentence to end the first paragraph. –Pomte 04:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I think we should put all population data right after the city's name, and make it more uniform like ([[Canada 2006 Census|2006 Population]] 267,500; [[Urban area|UA]] population 305,800; [[Census Metropolitan Area|CMA]] population 698,200) like this, to give an idea to readers how big is the city in terms of urban size. Regarding to Pomte's issue about there is an infobox directly underneath the introductory line, I was setting up a policy, about cities with population higher than 1,000, and with at least 2 sections, will get a template like {{Canada_CP_2006}}, and cities with population higher than 10,000, cities will get an Infobox City. Howver, I have only setted this up after I had finish updated Avonlea, Saskatchewan, and note that I am going in an alphabetical order of cities. Now regarding to CambridgeBayWeather's issue, I think that it is no point of putting population information hidden in a sentence, it is very difficult to find. And actually, when you look at other encyclopedia sets, they have population come first, then other information. I suggest we should unify all the formats.  Smcafirst | Chit-Chat  posted at 20:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I just had time before I left the house to look at the "E" section of the paper encyclopedia. It showed Edmunston, New Brunswick in the format "Edmunston (pop, 1234) (c1981)" then for Edmonton it didn't show a population after the name but instead in a similar format to an infobox. While I could live with one population figure after the name I would be against having two or three. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 21:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

CambridgeBayWeather, but why not though, the metropolitan area and the urban area of a city is important, too! I saw you working on articles, mostly in the northern territories, and as I understood, there are not much CMA and CAs there. Or another solution I would suggest is that, we could start a CMA article, you know, say Barrie, Ontario, it has a CMA. But instead of listing the population on the actual article, we can make a subarticle of the CMA area, about its population, the municipalities it included, notable roads, and econmomy??  Smcafirst | Chit-Chat  posted at 20:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea, but what about those communities that provide their own, more frequent censuses? Which should we use? --Kmsiever 20:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the population, be it city, CMA, urban or metro, is important. If you look at some of the communities like Barrie, Ontario, Belleville, Ontario or Toronto they do have demographic, transportation or Greater Toronto sections and in some cases seperate articles, see Demographics of Toronto. In the case of Barrie the demographics section could do with explaining what communities make up the CMA. I think they are needed and should be included in the article otherwise what you end up with is Allahabad where all the information is gone. Look at Montreal. Now look at User:CambridgeBayWeather/Sandbox where I rewrote the first paragraph with the population data included. I admit that Montreal is an extreme case though. My concern is not so much the population but what happens if in a few months someone else thinks that it's good to add the area in there as well? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:50, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I saw your first paragraph of Montreal, and I think that someone adding the area's chance would be minimal. And even so, all other (paper/web) don't put area right after the title, it's the population that they put after it. Unless it is a special case, like disputed boundary, or so on... Then, they may add the area in front. But population should be the most priority. My much younger cousin, she got a Junior Encyclopedia or some sort, and they have the population listed first (I looked up Barrie, Ontario last night), but not the area. Area could be put somewhere later. But, when I looked up Canada, for instance, because Canada is a large landmass (2nd largest in the world), the population is mentioned, then the area. So I think the chance of people wanting to add the area info right after the title is pretty minimal.  Smcafirst | Chit-Chat  posted at 21:15, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Point taken, now I have no problem with it. Technicality: What about making the p in Population lowercase, or abbreviating to pop.? –Pomte 13:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure, lower case would work. I have a tendency to capitalize everything. Sorry about that. However, I am not sure abbreviate population into pop is a good idea, since pop could stand for other things, such as "Probablity of Precipiation"?  Smcafirst | Chit-Chat | SIGN  posted at 23:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian of English descent vs English-Canadian

Someone renamed English-Canadian as Canadian of English descent, when the English Canadian article talks about english speakers. There's now a Requested Move discussion as well, to make the move official. 70.55.88.134 03:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)