Talk:Camp Menominee
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- As per the primary sources request, we have added several other sources other then the camp's official website. These are mostly listed at the bottom, but also include first-person testimony from those who attend or have attended the camp, as well as those who know of Camp Menominee. I would therefore ask an administrator to kindly remove the primary sources notification, unless further information is required. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.15.52.179 (talk • contribs) 22:11, November 26, 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for the additional references; however, please be aware that information from "first-person testimony" cannot be used on Wikipedia, so please remove anything like that from the article. The only information that can stay, is information that's already been published. Please read Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Verifiability. Other recommended reading is WP:COI and WP:AUTO. And if you have any questions, please let us know! --Elonka 02:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- Fair enough, my response to that would be that I have used publicly available information from documents about the camp. Some of which are available at this link: http://www.campmenominee.com/docs/history.shtml. Does that help address the issue?
- What you need to do is assert notability. Also we need to be able to verify the list of people in the article. MartinDK 16:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not quite sure how you can verify that list without contacting people individually, unless you take the testimony of people like me who have attended the camp for years and have been profoundly and positively changed by my positive experiences there. I also personally know most if not all of the people on that list, and I can tell you that they are most certainly people who are instrumental in the camp's development. Furthermore, the camp has been specifically mentioned in several media publications both in the Wisconsin area and others throughout the nearly 80 year existence of the camp. I will search for more details about this, with more information forthcoming.
- The problem is that the criterion is not truth but verifiability. And you cannot act as the primary source yourself. But fair enough, you are working on it so I think you should be given the time needed to gather more sources. MartinDK 14:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- If it is of any help, I can verify the information and know of hundreds of other people who can help prove all the information on the page is correct. Moreover, these people who can help verify this article span the globe, which proves the impact Camp Menominee has had. 24.15.74.254 23:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- You still need to provide sources that other people can use to verify this. Humans don't make good sources. If you can site a piece of paper available from the camp that proves the participants list then you can use that. It is not that complicated but an encyclopedia needs to be verifiable. Wikipedia is not just a database of searchable information. It is an encyclopedia and with that comes certain restrictions on what kind of sources you can use. MartinDK 14:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- If it is of any help, I can verify the information and know of hundreds of other people who can help prove all the information on the page is correct. Moreover, these people who can help verify this article span the globe, which proves the impact Camp Menominee has had. 24.15.74.254 23:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- The problem is that the criterion is not truth but verifiability. And you cannot act as the primary source yourself. But fair enough, you are working on it so I think you should be given the time needed to gather more sources. MartinDK 14:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not quite sure how you can verify that list without contacting people individually, unless you take the testimony of people like me who have attended the camp for years and have been profoundly and positively changed by my positive experiences there. I also personally know most if not all of the people on that list, and I can tell you that they are most certainly people who are instrumental in the camp's development. Furthermore, the camp has been specifically mentioned in several media publications both in the Wisconsin area and others throughout the nearly 80 year existence of the camp. I will search for more details about this, with more information forthcoming.
- What you need to do is assert notability. Also we need to be able to verify the list of people in the article. MartinDK 16:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
