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I am putting this at the top of the page, as I feel it is important.

PLEASE DO NOT PUT CAMP LAZLO EPISODE IDEAS ON THE ARTICLE PAGE. Wikipedia is designed to provide factual information, but the Episode Ideas are merely fabrications. I have moved the Episode Ideas section to this talk page; you may carry on with your ideas here if no-one objects. I am not saying that the ideas presented are bad; however, they have no place in a Wikipedia article. [Further reading can be found at What Wikipedia is not.]

Thank you for understanding. Ppk01 15:20, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Can someone provide a picture of Lazlo in the Camp Lazlo article, please?

(this comment was left by Warlock2)
  • Image provided, although, could probably be a better one. <>Who?¿? 05:14, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Another question, can someone edit the camp lazlo article by providing the voices of who is whom? Like Lazlo - Voiced By Carlos Alazraqui with a full character list and their voice actors? Warlock2

Can anybody list Commander Hoo-Ha under the list of characters?

Who did Jennifer Hale voiced in the show? Warlock2

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[edit] Spongebob References

While the article needs much cleaning up in general one of the most notable problems is the overabundance of references to SpongeBob Squarepants. While the two shows are in the same genre and have similar characters it isn't right for there to be such an abundance of references to SpongeBob, especially when they are written assuming that everyone who reads this article also watches SpongeBob. There are surely a few people who have or will read this article who have never seen an episode of SpongeBob (and there's an off chance that someone who reads this will never have even heard of the other program.) --Ryuukuro 04:24, 29 August 2005 (UTC) Agreed. Rocko's is from the same person, so it should be kept. But delete the SB part. If we keep that, we'll have to add an part about Coconut Fred, Ed, Edd, and Eddy, etc. See what I mean? Wizrdwarts 17:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC) I hate to be the one to tell you this but Steven Hildenburg, SpongeBob creator was the former director of the fourth season of Rocko's Moderen Life when Joe Murray had family issues and had to be away he asked Hildenburg to take the show. Unfortunatley it only lasted so long because was put on Hiatus after Hildenburg's new management. Obviously if there's any SB reference it's because the two are friends and share the same style of humor, I wouldn't label this as a problem rather a professional inside joke.

[edit] Cleaned up

I've cleaned up the page and the voice actor is provided at the end of their character biographies, Warlock2, and Commander Hoo-Ha is listed in the character section under "One Time Characters". NoseNuggets 7:15 AM US EDT Sept 6 2005

Hoo-Ha isn't a one-time character though, is he? He's been seen in at least 2 that I can think of and mentioned in several more. Brain 22:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Phony Episodes

The article used to have a section "Phony Episodes" with links to six articles which are repeatedly being created and deleted:

  • The Big Chill(Camp Lazlo) / Water Way To Go
  • Slumbering With The Enemy / Silly String Storm
  • Mission: Transmission / Gator Green With Envy

I have checked Google: these episodes only exist in the imagination of an anonymous contributor to Wikipedia. Unless someone contadicts me here speedily with evidence, I shall remove all reference to them within the next few days. And if necessary, I shall protect the titles from being recreated. -- RHaworth 03:32, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Episode Pages

Do we really need an entire Wikipedia page for every episode of Camp Lazlo? If need be, why not create a separate List of episodes in Camp Lazlo page, and add a short description to each? Besides, the separate episode pages all need attention and fixing, and it would be much simpler (and efficient) to have them all on one page. Ppk01 19:30, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

All of these indvidual episode articles should probably be merged to a season list. See the ep lists for Ed, Edd n Eddy (ie Episodes from Ed, Edd n Eddy, Season 1) for an example. «»Who?¿?meta 01:33, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Demoted Commander

as per an AFD discussion I have moved Demoted Commander to Camp Lazlo/DM to be merged with the main article, when done with the content please add {{subst:db|temporary subpage for page merge as per [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Demoted Commander]]}} an an administrator will take delete the page. ~~~~

[edit] Articles for Deletion

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Speedy Keep as even the nominator wanted it kept and cleaned up and all the subsequent votes were to keep. Capitalistroadster 09:40, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Camp Lazlo

This is a bit of a strange one for AfD, but who knows where else to put it? This article starts off well enough, but then turns into a list of the episodes of this show, with each one on its way to being created. So, is that a good idea? But worse follows with a section on "Episode ideas", again with each one in the process of being created. This is Not Good. I guess I'm saying Keep the main article but Delete the listcruft and fancruft surrounding it. ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 01:22, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

  • Comment An example from the article... Episode Ideas For All Guys Who Wants To Keep Camp Lazlo Alive For Many Years. If You Agree With Me Send More Episode Ideas/Synopsis! Note: There has been several deletions on this page, and please DO NOT DELETE THIS PAGE. This only a page for episode ideas. Moral:"You Can Smash Machines, But You Can't Smash Ideas." By Frederick Douglass. Movie Midnight / The Electric Blight Orchestra... and so on. ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 01:24, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep well known animated show, I don't personally watch it, but it is in the main lineup on CArtoon Network. If it needs cleanup, then either add the tag or do it. As for the episodes, I was gonna suggest tagging them for merging, similar to the Ed, Edd n Eddy episodes lists. «»Who?¿?meta 01:27, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. AfD is not the place to suggest a cleanup or improvement of an article, there are various templates for that. The animated series itself is listed in IMDB and is certainly notable enough. -- Curps 01:31, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Real animated series. The crap the nominator was complaining about has since been removed. Saberwyn 01:44, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Move to Speedy Keep per new, shiny Wikipedia:Speedy keep guideline, second bullet point, as nominator had no intention of completely deleting the article Saberwyn 05:36, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. This article should have been listed on cleanup with the nomination appearing on the article's talk page. Thanks to whoever removed the original research. Capitalistroadster 01:50, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Any need for article cleanup is irrelevant to the notability of the subject itself. *Dan T.* 02:28, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, if you think the main article should be kept you shouldn't have nominated it for deletion, just edited it or started a discussion on the talk page. --TheMidnighters 03:24, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, obviously notable animated series. Carioca 03:53, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep all that is needed is a bit of cleaning up. --JB Adder | [[User talk:Jb-adder|Talk]] 04:00, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: You may wish to open an RfC on the content of the article, as that would be an appropriate way of establishing consensus for and against certain directions that the authors want to go. Geogre 16:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

[edit] "Episode Ideas" sections removed

I have now removed the "episode ideas" sections from this page: Wikipedia is not a vehicle for fanfic writing. -- The Anome 20:58, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

These episode ideas are on the Camp Lazlo Fourm. Please do NOT coppy the episodes and put them back on the article! -- Elil 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OBJECTION!

I know this isn't a courtroom, but I would like to object to this matter, for I am supposed to be the #1 FAN of Camp Lazlo. This is going to be a VERY long story, so let's explain this simply.

When I first watched Camp Lazlo, I had to go to http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/camplazlo/index.html and take the Which Cabin Are You In? quiz. I answered all the questions and they said that I'll be across the lake in the Squirrel scout Cabin! Then I had to spend time with them so they and I could listen to classic TV theme songs, tell them their life stories, and many other things.

Then I went to this website to see the Camp Lazlo article, and I found out that its characters are like that of Spongebob Squarepants. This can't be the case because of the following reasons: 1. Spongebob Squarepants is NOT set in a camp, although there was an episode when he has gone camping, and it is shown in a different TV network. 2. I absolutely dislike SpongeBob because I think he is offensive, ugly, and furthermore, he can be an eyesore to look at. 3. Lazlo is less offensive and is many times better than Spongebob. 4. I think Spongebob Squarepants should be cancelled once and for all!

The one day I went to the Camp Lazlo forums and I had learned that the characters are in their teens. I believe that the Bean Scouts are probably in their late 30s and early 40s. The Squirrel Scouts are primarily in their 30s. The Scoutmasters were born in the 1940s.

I announced in late September 2005 that Lazlo, Raj, Clam, Patsy, Gretchen, and Nina were to get married. Their wedding took place October 8, 2005.

I created these episode ideas because I wanted to keep Camp Lazlo alive for many years, and for its popularity to increase. These episode ideas are absolutely, positively, and unconditionally NOT vandalism!It is a good faith effort to improve this article, and is a part of keeping this TV series alive for many years, and that is my reputation, and it is ruined! I rest my case. -- 206.255.186.75 0:15, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

You, my friend, have been reading the worst fandom ever. Do you expect us to believe this junk? --Plainnym 20:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

By the way, if you or any writers suggest possible plotlines, the producers will be forced to not use anything even close to them, in fear you'll sue them for stealing their ideas. -- user:zanimum


[edit] Objection discontinued

I am sorry to say that this is your opinion and your opinion only. Therefore, this cannot be proven as a fact, and your objection has been nullified. There are some ways that the show is similar to spongebob. The first thing I must say, though, is that if you dislike spongebob, you are not: said 'camp lazlo #1 fan', for many of the show's characters are voiced by the same people that voice spongebob and freinds. If you believe that the show is 'repulsive', then you are insulting the voice actors, and therefore insulting camp lazlo, for without these voice actors, the show would be very much diverse from what it is now. -Enchantz (3/27/07)

[edit] Objection overruled

Whoever was bringing up episode ideas was getting really annoying. Like it was stated, Wikipedia is a site for actual and true info, not some fan's musings and ideas. If you want to keep Camp Lazlo "alive" then go create a fansite for it. Not list meaningless info. Whoever was doing this now sadly has made the page unaccesible to edits. Thanks a lot you sorry idiotic loser. And wrong, once something gets deleted by one of the members or whomever and the article kept getting tagged then it IS vandalism. Plain and simple.

Let's keep it civilized, here, folks. No need for namecalling. Now, in response to the "#1 FAN" who wrote the impassioned objection above, yes, by all means make yourself a personal community-based Camp Lazlo webpage and gather your episode ideas and video game ideas there. Wikipedia is dedicated to the factual, and is not an appropriate venue for fan fiction. You may have genuinely thought you were doing the show a service by repeatedly posting episode ideas, but it was actually undermining the efforts of those who wanted to keep the article clean, readable, and a reliable source of information for the show. Please take this into consideration before adding information to the Camp Lazlo article (or any other Wiki article) in the future.--Dwhyer 05:03, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

That poster is back with the ideas >< He/she is completely taking advantadge of Wikipedia's rules and article laws!! This may have to be locked up for good. Geez, this person has no life.

I have sent in 4 video games ideas to Joe Murray. Is it okay if I post them on the article page?

No. This article is supossed to contain only FACT. Please post them somewhere else other than this article.--TheLH 13:58 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Where should I put them?

Anywhere except Wikipedia. Make a fansite about it or something,send a letter to the producers. It is not wanted on Wikipedia. J.J.Sagnella

I deleted Camp Lazlo/DM. I don't think it exsit.

Is this an episode idea or is it real? Father's Day / Soccer Day?

Squirepants101 23:15, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I dought it because they already did Parent's Day.

[edit] Added Quoets From Seleted Episodes

I have put Quoets from some of the episode articles to this one. This will make finding quotes for CL easy. Please do NOT add Quoets from fake episodes.

I deleted the quotes section. This is material for Wikiquote, and who wants CL quotes, anyway? -- PinkDeoxys 22:08, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Innuendo Removal

I think it should be removed personally… And some of them are just plain ridiculous too, I can cite some later to prove it too. --FlareNUKE 07:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I think they're all really stretching the whole thing a bit much. I mean, a hug being innuendo?! Shakes alive, people, it's a HUG! Witchcraft from a mop? Zoophilia in a world where EVERYONE'S an Animal? Between an animal and a TREE?! God, people, it's a joke, not innuendo. "The planets aligning" is a joke, not a cult reference.

Not everything's got to be dirty or scandalous, you know. --Alex 16:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. If you count stuff like that for innuendo, then a looooooooooooot of shows would be considered to have it. --RandomOrca2 16:55, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah this is too much. I know this article keeps getting tagged and stuff. It's kind of annoying that some fanboy/girl is doing this and ruining what's supposed to be just facts about the show and not these made up episodes/innuedos. This probably needs to be locked.


i agree that the innuendos need to be removed. most of them are pretty rediculous.

So since everybody agrees, should I remove it? --FlareNUKE 12:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


But I guess it's dumb now so I'm leaving it off. Plainnym

I know a hug is not horrible but why are they animals if they can walk, talk, and read like humans? Are they humanoid or something?

Because it's a cartoon and is entirely fictional, it does not have to be set up like real life. --FlareNUKE 02:31, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Here's what I don't get. How could the tree have children if she wasn't an animal or a human? It's not zoophilia, it's more like....tree-philia. Anyway, it sounds kind of wrong (and impossible) to do that.

Is someone gonna answer me? I posted that above comment about a week ago.

Simple, like I said… It's a damn cartoon, It does not have to make sense.--FlareNUKE 05:42, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay.........I guess it doesn't. Oh yeah; don't cuss anymore, ok?

I won't post another one up unless something really bad happens on the show, like something that mentions sex or something. (Plainnym 14:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC))

Someone added the innuendo back, but this time it's sexual. Is everyone fine that it's back or do any of you want it to be deleted. Squirepants101 23:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I kind of don't mind with it. It would be still monitered and if in case, it can be later deleted. --esanchez, Camp Lazlo fan! 00:18, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lazlo in Rocko's Modern Life?

In the contrasting Camp Lazlo and Rocko's Modern Life section in this article, it says that Lazlo was in the parade in Floundering Fathers, only Lazlo was female and was wearing white and green clothes. Should that be even in there? Squirepants101 16:37, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

camp lazlo do you like it or not?---------------------------

I don't like camp lazlo, it bores me and lazlo is an idiot.

Uh, oh well if you hate this show that's ok but if you like that's also ok but i don't really care anyone's opinion on ths show. (Glass of water 02:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC))

[edit] More Phony Episodes

Someone keeps submitting unconfirmed episodes in this article including Xiaolin Spider. Can someone remove it? Squirepants101 15:46, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peer Review

[edit] Camp Lazlo

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[edit] Lead

I've read the lead to this article and it barely talks about the plot of the show. The only thing I can find in there that had to with the show's plot was this: "The show features a Boy Scout-like summer camp with a cast of all animal characters." I think someone should add more about the plot. Does anyone agree with me? Squirepants101 21:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A Hard Day's Sampson ending

I recall a joke during the ending of A Hard Day's Sampson, when Sampson was ODing on his "Health Buddies". They had a variety of fake warnings about what could happen if you misuse the "Health Buddies" in the same way as Sampson. One of them said a side effect could be "Increased Murfing". I think that joke should be mentioned in the reference to the ending of A Hard Day's Sampson, since it's pretty funny.

[edit] Template

I've created a template to group Camp Lazlo articles together (Template:CLnav). Is there anything I can do to improve the template? Squirepants101 22:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

For one, you might want to fix one part. Credit for Steve Little, since it directs to the boxer, not the voice actor. Use this link: Steve Little

[edit] Trivia

Some tagged the trivia section of this article with the toomuchtrivia template. I don't think we can integrate the trivia into the article itself. Instead, why not make more episode articles (I think is the best choice) and put the trivia there or the episode list article should be more like List of Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends episodes, where there is some trivia in each entry. Anyone agree? Squirepants101 12:30, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pics with Other Squirrel Scouts

Does everybody have new pics with Squirrel Scouts other than Nina Neckerly, Patsy Smiles, and Gretchen? Joanna 12:43 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I'm sure I can get some

Nuff said.

-Enchantz (3/25/07)

[edit] I wonder

I wonder why Joe Murray didn't broadcast Camp Lazlo on Nickelodeon the channel where his other cartoon rocko's modern life aired. Bob 2.0

because he didn't decide what channel it would air on? It's up to the tv executives to agree, select, and air shows for their channel, not the creators of the shows. He almost certainly shopped it around different networks to see which would accept it, and if more than one, which would give him a better deal. That's how the television industry works. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 139.78.177.53 (talk) 02:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC).
  • I have no idea what you just said but it sounds like Joe did have a hard time finding a buying channel.

[edit] Fancruft

I've marked this as reading like a fansite for the sections Comparing Camp Lazlo and Rocko's Modern Life and Camp Kidney Alma Mater specifically as they seem better suited to documenting on a fansite, the rest is OK but needs copyediting. --treelo talk 04:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

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