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Chance: Yeah! But just as Mahatma is not POV for Gandhi...so is 'chose to become" for Rajaji. - Kaysov

Kaysov, I think there is a subtle difference. Mahatma is not POV because of its usage. But, the phrase "chose to become" in a democracy is slightly demeaning, not only on the people, but on Rajaji himself. No offense meant. chance 08:13, Dec 5, 2003 (UTC)
Chance, you are more than right. I anyway had no plans to put that back. Kaysov 03:43, Dec 8, 2003 (UTC)

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[edit] Move from Rajaji to C. Rajagopalachari?

Would it be possible to move this article to C. Rajagopalachari or Chakravarti Rajagopalachari? A redirect will remain at Rajaji. My concern is with using an honorific or nickname to refer to politicians – must we use "Netaji" instead of "Subhas Chandra Bose", "Mahatma" instead of "Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi", and "Panditji" instead of "Jawaharlal Nehru"? I'll double-check, but I think this is contrary to the Wikipedia naming policy. QuartierLatin1968 15:01, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I would concur, based on my limited knowledge. john k 15:20, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

It would be nice if the honorific titles are appended to the full name like Subhas Chandra Bose (Netaji) or Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (Mahatma Gandhi) as this is the way they are addressed in India with their respective honorific titles, And FYI netaji and mahatma are not nicknames they are honorable titles vested on them.

Ganesh

  • Last paragraph of the article requires re-wording and a little modification, as Mahatma Gandhi has predeceased Rajaji.--Bhadani 16:04, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Anyone have more information?

This has been updated .I fully agree with you one has to give true with his positive and negative points his 4 years as CM of Madras State was amongst the worst when he introduced Hindi in 1937 and later Kula Kalvi Thittam (Hereditary Education Policy which was opposed and later removed by kamaraj and became a non elected member and chief minister through a constitutional impropriety which was not liked by Nehru.good job soman keep it up.

Kula Kalvi Thittam is the name given by his opponents in DK, DMK movements. Nowhere on the internet (or anywhere) one can see the original Government Order or Governmemnt Policy. So, this 'Kula Kalvi Thittam' goes round and round without a shred of documentary evidence and it is a masterpiece in political propaganda. If lies can be made into a "fact" by simply repeating it , Kula Kalvi Thittam is one. Will the gentleman or lady who wants a mention of 'Kula Kalvi Thittam' give references to the original government orders/documents if he/she wants it to be taken seriously? otherwise, stop the propaganda. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.195.10.170 (talk) 12:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

To the Gentleman or Lady 80.195.10.170. In the Pre computer era which is just about 20 years in India and in most countries in the world.All Governments orders/documents are not available on the internet dating back before that era have not been updated online worldwide.This perhaps includes Kula Kalvi Thittam or the legislation of the Madras Government in 1950's .This includes almost all legislation.Further no encyclopedia posts articles only with Government policy documents which if made mandotary for all pages it will decades to collect and cost millions of dollars to get all documents from over 200 countries while it is possible to get government links for recent events in the internet era it may not possible for all events in the pre Computer era.As per Wikipedia policy citations are enough not Governement documents as they are difficult to get particularly old ones.Please do not remove contents as historical facts cannot be hidden by removing them.You c.an make edits which are positive with citations not negative ie removing content..Tametiger talk

to Tametiger - It is a non-sensical and ridiculous to say that since you are unable to get the original documents or reference to original government order which outlines what the Dravian parties call 'kula kalvi thittam', it is alright to spread lies. If you cannot refer to a government policy as published in the government gazette, you are lying about the so-called 'kula kalvi thittam' —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.44.218.126 (talk) 14:55, 23 December 2006 (UTC).


Can any one add more on Rajaji stint as Chief Minister of Madras state?. His relationship with Kamaraj, EVR, AnnaDurai?. His infamous plan to have school and work?

Its interesting that whilst the editors of this article goes to length of describing CRs intellect and personal brilliance, it does hardly mention a word on the disputes inside the Congress, how CR was opposed by most Tamil congress leaders, etc. --Soman 07:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revert

I've reverted the last edits since;

  • The article already has a zealous touch to it. It does not pay attention to the role played by CR in Indian politics, but rather wishes to focus on his personal greatness.
  • Several statements needs to be backed up (like 'He was respected not only by Indians but by every one'). Claiming that x individuals 'revered him greatly' is at this point often unfounded. If anyone can find proof of in autobiographies that Kennedy or Khrustchev admired CR, then that should be added first as a reference.
  • Why leave out the INDC? Is it not relevant to mention that CR leave a different party before it was merged into the Swatantra Party.
  • The speculation fo CR being proposed as president needs backing up.
  • As to the Swatantra Party, wasn't that rather a unification of anti-Congress elements (like the GP in Orissa, etc.)?

--Soman 11:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] wasnt he the one to start caste-politics

wasnt he an untouchable who started the caste politics in india. (based on anti brahaminical movements).nids 07:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rajaji and Andhra

Rajaji remained aloff from the Andhra issue.Potti Sriramulu was allowed to fast and die in Mylapore in Madras in the centre of the city.There are questions as to why Potti Sriramulu was not arrested or force fed as the case should be even when he fasted for over 50 days. He deputed two of his cabinet colleagues, Sankara Reddy and Dr Nagana Gouda to appear before the Mishra Commission regarding Bellary and it was Nehru who opposed and rejected the demand for not including Madras(chennai)into Andhra.

[edit] Revert Nehru and Rajaji

Mr Bharatveer You have contributed a lot keep it up .Thanks a lot as a Wikipedia user. .Nothing personal mate just keen to know why your removed it?Is it against policy was I wrong ?Please tell me would be glad to know? Please Do not remove content with proper citations. I hope you did it without considering WP policy and is a oversight.Please remove content with citations.Further Madras Presidency was called Madras State after independence and not Tamil Nadu.Hence used Madras State.


Nehru was furious and wrote to Rajaji that that "the one thing we must avoid giving is the impression that we stick to office and we want to keep others out at all costs.the links are below. http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050303/asp/opinion/story_4445928.asp http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/2001/06/04/stories/05041306.htm

[edit] Notes section

The last 2 references are to the life of E.V.Ramaswamy naicker. Who put it here? They should be removed. They should be put in the page for EVR.

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