Talk:Círdan

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I researched his age and several sources including tuckburough have stated that the ages are equal to about 15,000 years, originally had him around 10,000 but 3 people told me that it much about 15 and showed me examples. Theres always been this discrepency with years. And perhaps this is alot to read. The main problem with writing a biography for Cirdan is that he has hardly any material written about him but he is often alluded or referred to various times. Besides that, he's the oldest elf to ever live, he does have a history however much is not said, and the combination of these two things elements made me want to choose a rather timeline based history of him. This timeline history helps because you WILL NOT find most of this directly in the books. Small parts of Cirdan's doings are mentioned here and there, etc... I hope i get across to you why his history must be setup this way. If you guys think that technically it is still too long, then i might consider some reduction. Umm i'm a bit hazy about the origins of the teleri leaders, i believe that they all lived in middle earth, before going to the undying lands. If that is true then Cirdan never visits the undying lands until he heads off in the fourth age. And yes he leaves middle earth with Samwise Gamgee in the fourth age. He is one of the last of the elves to leave middle earth. He was also the original bearer of Narya, the ring of fire, until he later gave it to gandalf. Samwise bore the one ring for some time and in the end both are ring bearers, many times in tolkien's books and in his writings, he uses ringbearers (notice the s at the end) he refers to all who have ever been in possession of any magic ring. Most of the time when he says ringbearer, he is referring ot hte one ring because none of the other rings are worth mentioning. And as far as the palantir article is concerned i will have to take a close look at that and fix any mistakes. -Frosty King 26 March 2007

The estimate of Cirdan's age given in the article (15,000) is at odds with the Timeline of Arda. In fact he would be older than the Arda itself. I do not know how canonical the timeline is, but I thought I'd bring this to your attention. The date of birth combined with the timeline would put him around 8500 at the time of the Lord of the Rings.
Following on from the above, the article says that he is the oldest elf apart from Elrond and Galadriel. The date of birth attributed to him, makes him older than Galadriel and far older than Elrond. --Smcgrother 19:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Amandhel, the whole thing is too much. I was just trying to scan through it to determine if Cirdan actually visits the blessed realm but there was so much to slog through I basically abandonded the attempt (I know, attention spans these days are not what they were).
Additional comments:
"one of the few (if any) prominent Eldar who survived from the great journey to the blessed realm" Did he actually make the journey? I thought he stayed in "Middle-earth".
In the fourth age section there is mention of the "final two Ringbearers". I think a link to Ring-bearer is required where they are listed. There is a mention on that page of the ambiguity of meaning: I assumed (as does the Ring-bearer page) that the term refers to bearers of the one ring. So in reading the article I wondered who the 2 ring bearers are...Sam and ? The Ring-bearer page explained that a second interpretation is the owner of any ring of power, and so Cirdan himself is who is meant. The link to the Ring-bearer page should clear up the issue. I went ahead and added the link.
Why was his name "probably Nowe"? There appears to be a clear change from Nowe to Cirdan, so why the uncertainty?
The same quote by Ulmo appears in two places (about abiding in Beleriand) which seems redundant...it is quite poetic, but not very encyclcopedic.
In several places an uncommon form of a name is used - Nowe is used in the first part of the article, and I think readers might like to see repeated explanation that this is Cirdan. Olorin is used instead of Gandalf (in some places, in others the link is explained), which seems unnecessarily confusing.--Smcgrother 19:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The current article contradicts the article on the Palantir. In the palantir article, one of the palantir travels to the West with the 3 elven rings AND with Cirdan, but here Cirdan and the rings go separately. I imagine that the error is in the palantir article and have posted the same comment there. But just in case the fault lies here I wanted to mention it.--Smcgrother 21:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

In the film the Return of the King I do believe that the elf standing in the background is Celeborn, and not Cirdan, even though Celeborn did not make that journey at that time in the Novels.

Uhhh... that's a pretty nice history of all Elvendom from the awakening, but 90% of it doesn't have to do with Cirdan. Perhaps cut it down to just what's relevant to this article? Adanadhel 06:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Most of this does deal with Cirdan. You forget that events and people that he is not directly related with STILL INFLUENCE AND EFFECT him. In this article, there is made mention of events like Morgoth taking the Gap of Maglor. While this event may not seem important, it is very important because Morgoth now has access to and the ability to attack the Falas. However, I tried not to post anything that really didn't have an impact on Cirdan and his peoples. And as far as the pic (whoever is mentioning it) that pic is of Cirdan, for movie reasons they didn't give him a beard. If you look at his picture in the trading card game they use that picture of him at the Havens for his card. Frosty King 11:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)