Talk:Byzantine-Arab Wars

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This article seems like a redundant part of the Islamic conquests article. Can anyone give me a good reason why it deserves its own? (The fact that it's little more than a stub doesn't help) Palm_Dogg 03:22, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Byzantine-Arab Wars are only a small part if Islamic conquests. Byzantine-Arab Wars coverage only several wars Byzant vs. Arab Empire. Islamic conquests coverage all Arabian conquests betwen 630 and 8th century and creations of great Islamic Empire. Boris Živ

I've now split the Islamic Conquests campaign box (which was becoming unwieldy) into three sections - Byzantine-Arab Wars, Islamic conquest of Persia and Islamic conquest of Iberia. GCarty 15:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
I recently joined the Military History Project saw a request for this article's expansion. So I've added more to this article: pictures, sources and expansion in general. There's still more to do, but I'm pleased with what I've added so far and hopefully it will be above stub status soon. :-) Grimhelm 18:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Who won this war? The article says it was a Muslim victory, but its final battle was a "Decisive Byzantine-Bulgarian victory" (see Siege of Constantinople (718) article). I would have said it was a Pyhrric Byzantine victory, considering signifcant territorial losses occured, but the Arabs were forced back from the walls of Constantinople and their fleet sunk. Grimhelm 18:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
The final battle was a decisive victory but almost all the other battles were decisive defeats!! The decisive victory of the final battle ended the war, that's all. Look at the Byzantine Empire pre-war and post-war and then you can easily see why it's called a Muslim victory overall. P.S: I have created a new article that is part of this series called Muslim conquest of Syria please review and contribute as well. Note that while it only covers a small area of time 633-640 it can use some expansion on the post-script on how the area became a staging post for further pushes including the subsequent Sieges of Constantinople, as of now I have given some info on the rise of the Umayyad who would execute those two seiges.--Tigeroo 17:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Deletion

Whoever deleted the 800's to 1071 section, dont. Its true, there were conflicts and the Byzantines did suffer defeats and win soem major victories. At the moment, it looks like the two powers only fought for a hundred years. The Byzantines invaded Egypt in the 12th century. Look it up!!

[edit] STOP DELETING!

I added the wars after the eighth century. This article is very bad in that one assumes that the wars only lasted until the eight century when IN FACT THEY CONTINUED. If the section about the latter Byzantine Arab wars is removed, I WILL re add it because its pathetic that the all important re-conquest isn't shown. Byzantium became a superpower in the eleventh and twelth centuries.

[edit] Excellent editing

I must salute the editors whom edited the later conflits. I was pressing for their inclusion. Thank you for your contributions, it now looks much more like an article than a stub that misleadingly focused on only one part of teh conflict. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.6.230.65 (talk) 01:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Thank you for the recognition :-) Your own edits deserve commending, as they provided a rough base from which made expanding the article possible. There's still more I can add on this conflict, but the main thing we need to be added are sources, and this article has improved immensely already. --Grimhelm 10:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA On Hold

This article has been put on hold for the following Manual of Style violations.

  • WP:MOSNUM says that months and days of the week generally should not be linked. Years, decades, and centuries can be linked if they provide context for the article.
  • WP:MSH says that headings generally do not start with the word 'The'. For example, ==The Biography== would be changed to ==Biography==.

Feel free to contact me when these problems have been addressed. Tarret 15:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

No months or days of the week were linked, but I have improved the article per the rest of the recommended changes: 24 years and decades were delinked for not providing relevant context; "The" was removed from the heading "The Wars in North Africa"; I also made three minor fixes to the article that I noticed in the process of delinking. You have been notified on your talk page as requested. --Grimhelm 23:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Passed

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[edit] How to improve

I think theres great room for improvement to elevate this to a Featured article. First, we need to cut down on the Conclusionssection, its a little too big, but only a little. Break it up into smaller sections if someone can.

Then, Group the latter conflicts into time periods or into different sub-headings. For instance, generally speaking, there was a revival under Basil I, decline after his rule and then massive super surge under Basil II. Also, mention the deals done with Crusaders in trying to invade Egypt not just in the conclusion but also in the latter conflicts part. Also, talk about the deals done with Saladin to stop Mameluke attack (even though Saladin and the Byzantines were quite apart) during 3rd Crusade. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.6.239.36 (talk) 21:59, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

What about the fact that in the 11th century, the Byzantine's launched a semi-successful attack that took some land in sicily from the arabs?Tourskin 19:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Abbassid governance deep into Anatolia

Last I checked, there were no Abbasids in Anatolia. They stayed were they were, in Iraq until the Mongols destroyed them. The Seljuks went to Anatolia.Tourskin 01:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I take it that this is the last line in the lead? If so, I have fixed that. --Grimhelm 17:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
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