Talk:Businesses and Organizations in Second Life

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Content for this page really should come from / be directed to Linden Lab's official listing of developers found at: http://secondlife.com/developers/

and sub-links:

http://secondlife.com/developers/fullservice.php http://secondlife.com/developers/consultants.php http://secondlife.com/devdown/

In addition, there's thousands of in-world businesses... while above I listed links for developer companies, this disregards hosts of in-world businesses that are thriving. Ultimately, the job of selecting what businesses to include and what to exclude will be like trying to sort out businesses on the regular WWW Internet.

So, food for thought - this whole page might possibly be able to disappear and be replaced on the main SL page with some links to web pages outside Wikipedia.

-rtblechner

This article is purposefully setup to disregard the "thousands of in-world businesses" that are not legal entities in the "real world".
Signpostmarv 14:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
You'll probably find that the most appropriate action to take with regards to this article is to have an article written, or have the appropriate article modified for each company in this article, nuke the article and replace it with a category.
Signpostmarv 17:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

This article needs to stay limited to businesses for which we have reliable secondary sources -- press releases, web sites of the businesses themselves, and minor blogs don't count. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 04:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

To which sources are you referring when you say "minor blogs" ?
Signpostmarv 10:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Personal ones of people without a reputation, blogs of the companies themselves, etc. Ones like the Reuters blog are obviously reputable, but someguy.blogspot.com doesn't have much credibility. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 15:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Ah, I think I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were referring to specific sources currently in the references section.
Signpostmarv 16:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Split entry?

This page could be split in two for businesses operated entirely inside SL and those with an SL presence.Ms medusa 21:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

The alternative would be to:
  1. push the list of Businesses and Organisations Operating in Second Life out into a Category (e.g. Category:Businesses and Organisations operating in Second Life, adding the information held in the article to the relevant Wiki article, creating stubs for those that do not currently have articles.
  2. Category:Businesses and Organisations originating from Second Life would then be used for the top list- ESC and Aimee Weber Studio Inc. are on my to-do list, Anshe Chung already has an article, SLLA had theirs nuked a while back, the others could be stubbed.
  3. Move blurbs and #REDIRECT [[Economy of Second Life]]
Signpostmarv 13:32, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
The idea of a category of (real world) businesses operating in 2nd life would be a good one. Leaving this article for only those originating from 2nd life. Ms medusa 16:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SLLA removal

The SLLA was removed from the list because none of the associated websites give any evidence of it being a legally registered entity anywhere.

Signpostmarv 13:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Also note that the SLLA's wiki article was deleted for lack of significance issues methinx.
Signpostmarv 16:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Its getting 961 hits on Google
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Second+Life+Liberation+Army%22&hl=en&start=90&sa=N Ms medusa 17:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I Get 11,400- on that basis, I should have a wiki article documenting my avatar, or a mention on the Residents article.
If you're using Google results as a scale of inclusion:
This shows that using google results as a scale of inclusion is a bad idea, because;
  1. 961 results is a tiny, tiny number compared to ESC and Anshe Chung (0.003844% and 0.058% respectively).
  2. The activities of Aimee Weber Studio Inc. are a lot more notable than those of myself or SLLA.
The gist of the afd discussion was that the group wasn't notable enough. Notability aside, this article is only for legally registered entities only. If you can find proof that the SLLA are legally recognised in the state of California (read the SL TOS for why I say California), then they should be on the list.
However, I don't believe they are a legal entity, hence why they should not be in this list.
Signpostmarv 19:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Eh? I think 900 odd google hits is sufficient evidence of notability for inclusion on a page documenting organisations and business in 2nd life, although I would agree, perhaps not an entire article.
"this article is only for legally recognised entities only" - says who? Ms medusa 00:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
If the article wasn't restricted to legally recognised entities, then the list would be absolutely colossal! There are thousands of legally unrecognised businesses/organisations within Second Life, and the "Originating from Second Life" section in this article is not the place to list them. However, maybe another section needs to be created (or another article) to list the most notable entities which aren't legally recognised? —Slowspace 00:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
That would be the job of the SL History project. If something isn't notable enough to mention there, it isn't notable enough to mention here.
Signpostmarv 00:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of SLLU

They get one mention in the Guardian article, as a group- which without any further context indicates it's an in-world group only, meaning it shouldn't be listed on this article.

  1. No evidence of being a legally recognised entity
  2. Non-notable

Signpostmarv 09:49, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

  1. Its associated with the Scottish Socialist Party although I dont believe its a legal entity in its own right (relevance?)
  2. It gets 700 odd hits on Google including mentions in major newspapers; virtual world, UK and international.
Will add further references when I have some time.
Ms medusa 10:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  1. What evidence is there to associate SLLU with the Scottish Socialist Party ?
  2. As discussed in #SLLA removal, the number of google hits are mostly irrelevant to the notability of an entity.
Signpostmarv 17:18, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
As a reminder, Wikipedia has very strict rules on notability, and numbers of search results on Google is not a suitable metric for notability. For example, searching Google for "some" returns over a billion results, but that doesn't mean that "some" should have its own Wikipedia article! —Slowspace 00:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
If the SLLU is a part of the Scottish Socialist Party, then it is the Scottish Socialist Party that should be listed, not the SLLU.
Signpostmarv 10:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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