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<Parikshit Basrur> 10:38, Dec , 2006 (AKL)

The audience seems to have reached mutual consent that this article needs a rewrite. BI is a term which has links with a number of different industries, and hence, community members who would like to believe that they can be effective and make contributions in each sector should work on each section.

Vendor links would be appropriate keeping in essence with the community focus of Wikipedia, and development of this posting will result in revisions of the content on BI.

Regards, Baz

This article is OK, but reads like a promotional white paper. The use of first-person is not particularly acceptable.

I'll be marking this one for a big editing pen unless someone else gets there first. I've removed some links that pointed to specific vendors - either we list ALL vendors or we don't list any. Manning 04:22, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)


I'll add a cleanup and mention it in the Business and Economics forum. saturnight 00:10, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)


I'd like to second the comment that this page needs work. I'm been in the "BI/DW" field for a decade and this page says little nothing about what we do or aim to do. I can live with that, but can we change the two items in the article that are particular bothersome.

First up, the opening line doesn't seem grammatically correct to me.

"BI is the process of gathering information in the field of business"

I cannot imagine going away to "do some Business Intelligence", "gathering Business Intelligence", or "doing Business Intelligence" (except in the consulting context). I've never heard the term used to refer to a process or an activity. If I look for competitor information on the internet while at work - is this Business Intelligence? If I receive a report in the mail or buy a business magazine, is this business intelligence?

Perhaps this is the Gartner definition, but the IT industry tends to use the term differently. In this area the term "BI" is normally used in relation to capability. More specifically, a BI tool usually makes some claim to advanced interaction in the context of information delivery, presentation and analysis.

This is not a definition. I am deliberately avoiding posting a definition.

My second point relates to the history section. Sun Tzu. Whether we accept BI as a contemporary business term, or instead define it as a general concept - the link to Sun Tzu needs to be substantiated and shown to be more relevant than influences by other ancient thinkers. Unless this is done - the reference should be dropped. [R. Gowan roxl@ozemail.com.au]

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[edit] BI and DW/technology

bharat.pathiavadi@rediffmail.com --> I doubt technology has anything whatsoever to do with the idea behind Business Intelligence. So being in the DW scene for a long time doesnt mean anything really. DW or technology is only one of the means of providing BI with a data source. It doesnt make BI a only "DW" kind of project. BI is an organization mindframe and not a technology project. One of the reasons most IT projects in this space fail miserably is because it is believed that DW (which is though of as synonymous with BI) is an ultimate answer to business information requirements. This simply isnt true.

The other point is quite true. There is no standard definition of Business Intelligence. Nor can there be one with will cover all aspects of it. In fact, this is true for almost all similar social sciences.. e.g: Economics.

And yes, i guess it would be a good idea to have alist of all vendors, though considering the facts at the moment (everyone is a guru in Warehousing / BI / BPM), I think it is quite difficult to come up with a full list. I guess you just leave that to the vendors as and when they find this page or to their employees. :-)

[edit] Competitive intelligence

Whats the difference between Business intelligence and Competitive intelligence? -- 172.178.67.23 09:16, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Business intelligence is an internal view of one's own company's operational benchmarks and metrics. Competitive intelligence is generally some formal report prepared by third parties giving an assessment of competitor's products, strategies and practices. Competitive intelligence is generally used for an advantage in sales & marketing and sometimes in mergers & acquisitions. Business intelligence is used to generate productivity within one's own operations.

bharat.pathiavadi@rediffmail.com--> I think Business intelligence involves both internal and external intelligence. a business doesnt run within itself. It runs and interacts with a world out there. So operational intelligence and Market intelligence are both important. In fact, I have worked on atleast 15 projects which actually have key performance indicators from internal and external sources.

Competitive Intelligence is just one form, or one area of Business Intelligence. 147.240.236.9 20:33, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

Moved here from the main page:

  • [http://www.obisomni.com/home/ Obis Omni] a dedicated business community
  • [http://www.business-intelligence-guide.com Business Intelligence] Guide
  • [http://www.businessintelligence.org.uk/ Independent Business Intelligence Magazine]
  • [http://www.businessobjects.com Business Intelligence Software] from Business Objects
  • [http://www.informationbuilders.com Business Intelligence Software] from Information Builders
  • [http://www.sas.com/technologies/bi Business Intelligence] Software from SAS
  • [http://www.siebel.com/business-intelligence/software-solutions.shtm Business Intelligence] Software from Siebel
  • [http://www.intellibusiness.com IntelliBusiness.com]
  • [http://www.b-eye-network.com Business Intelligence Network]
  • [http://www.business-intelligence-software.biz Business Intelligence Software] Introduction Website
  • [http://www.googul.net/modules/zmagazine/article.php?articleid=50 Brand Your Consulting Brilliance]
  • [http://www.imgroup.com Information Management Group Ltd]
  • [http://www.kmining.com/info_conferences.html Kmining] List of business intelligence, data mining and KDD scientific conferences
  • [http://searchcrm.techtarget.com?offer=Wikipedia SearchCRM.com] Original daily news, white papers, expert advice, webcasts and other resources on business intelligence.
  • [http://www.saksoft.com SAKSOFT] A leading BI/BPM company in the Financial Services Domain

If you'd like to add these back in per Wikipedia:External links please discuss it here first.
brenneman(t)(c) 12:50, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Red Links

I've moved the following red links here:

  • Data Modelling and tools for defining Business Logic Layers
  • Report Servers
  • Business workflow analysis
  • Business management systems p2p


  • Altius Consulting
  • Appian Corporation
  • Business-Soft
  • Cartesis
  • Collective Intelligence
  • Comshare
  • Hyperion Solutions now owns Brio software
  • Inforay
  • Information Management Group Ltd
  • Inforte
  • Oberon-bwa

brenneman(t)(c) 12:58, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Can we draw a distinction between how the term Business Intelligence is used in the computing environment, and how it appears to be used by management theorists. They appear to be two quite different concepts - hence possibly some of the confusion surrounding/within this entry. Since the two terms are quite different, I would suggest there is a need for two separate, tightly defined, articles dealing with each. williampayne@cix.co.uk

Removed one of the broken links for BI News. SanjayG.

[edit] Permission to Include External Link

Hi, I'd like permission to include the link below to the Business Intelligence Knowledge Center at Computerworld.com

To be quite honest, it seems to simply be a pretty hit or miss search result aggregation engine covered in commercial ads and unrelated links/news. I'm not sure how it adds to this article. Kuru talk 00:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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