Talk:Bruce Clay

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[edit] Notability

First, I do believe Bruce Clay can pass the notability test. However, in current form the article fails to establish notability. Please check WP:BIO and fix this article. Addditionally, TopSEOs.com is not what I consider to be a reliable source. Jehochman (^Talk/_Contrib) 15:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Google shows a sub navigation for him and points out the relationship chart in particular (also refered to by SEW, SERoundTable, SEOMoz, Seach Engine Guide,. Not to mention that he coined the name of a big industry and wrote the code of ethics adapted by most companies directly or indirectly and being speaker at ALL!!! important industry events, not just search, but Internet Marketing in General (SES, PubCon, Ad-Tech etc.). Which of the sites from the 140,000+ pages in google where he is mentioned would you like me to add in addition to SEW and TopSEOs?

I will add some. --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 10:16, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the quality references. Please continue adding any that you find. Articles in the SEO category undergo a lot of scrutiny for linkspamming, so you want to make this as strong as possible. I should explain why I've removed TopSEOs and Pandecta, now that the article has better sources. These two aren't very good sources, in my opinion. TopSEO's is an advertising site for promoting SEOs. I don't see any sort of independent editorial control. It looks like pure pay for placement. Pandecta doesn't have a Wikipedia page, and I've never heard of it before, even though I am in the industry, reading SEO blogs daily and attending the major conferences. Jehochman (^Talk/_Contrib) 13:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I hear you. I think we are on the same page. I was a little blunt because I had a bad day, sorry for that. To be honest, I also never heard of Pandecta before. Bruce Clay referenced to it. Since I am not a professional SEO and also realized that there are a lot of "separate" worlds out there with little or no point of connection in the worlds of Internet marketing I took the reference since he himself considers it noteworthy. I knew from the start that I will not find proof for the statement that he coined the term, but several veterans in the SEO industry say that they heart it first from him. Anyhow, I guess everybody is happy now. Lets keep it growing. I will add stuff if I come across any that can be validated. Cheers --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 15:11, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Bruce, are you watching this? If so, how about leaving a comment here on the talk page to say whether you coined the phrase or popularized it, or none of the above? Jehochman (^Talk/_Contrib) 20:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. I had a prior position performing mainframe computer optimization, responsible for specifically improving the performance of operating system software. When I started doing search engine work nobody else called it Search Engine Optimization, but I thought it obvious that was what it was. So I started calling it that. I never suspected it would catch on or become an industry. But I didn't recognize that I was first until Danny Sullivan did research and announced that I was the official first user. I consider this my legacy contribution to my colleagues.

Thanks for the info, Bruce. I'll try to get this into the article. Obviously it's very interesting that Danny says you coined the phrase, but I need to find that somewhere in the official record, such as a newspaper or magazine article. Cheers, Jehochman (^Talk/_Contrib) 03:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I found this old thread at SEW Forum where Bruce is already mentioned, but it misses a conclusion which must have been made later. Danny must have taken those findings and extended his research. Its not going to be easy these days. I dug this thread out of Google's supplemental index.--roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 19:34, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I posed the question to Danny. Maybe he can provide a reference. Yeah, searching for anything that includes "search engine optimization" is difficult.Jehochman (^Talk/_Contrib) 20:42, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

since Bruce mentioned that Danny announced it, did I extended my search terms to "Danny Sullivan" +"Bruce Clay" +"Search Engine Optimization" and added words like "coined" or "invented". I am writing a post for Search Engine Journal. May be others can find it. I also stumbled across some other interesting stuff when I research it. Enough stuff for an interesting post ;). --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 00:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

See, isn't this fun! Back to your first post, the "subnavigation" on Bruce's Google listing is called "Sitelinks." Jehochman (^Talk/_Contrib) 02:49, 24 October 2006 (UTC)