Talk:Bread and Circuses (TOS episode)

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[edit] Redirect

• Added this heading, because I think the redirect goes to the wrong page. My reasoning is below.-RomeW 22:19, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I also want to add that if the issue with the redirect is because of the link in the Star Trek page, then we should change the link there.-RomeW 19:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi this is not about Roman civilization!

• Uh... who said it was Mr Anonymouse? Cyberia23 07:23, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I would've expected "Bread and Circuses" to describe the Roman concept, with this at Bread and Circuses (Star Trek). There's not even a disambiguation here. - Nik42 06:37, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Never mind. On further investigation, it doesn't look like there even is an article on the Roman bread and circuses - Nik42 07:05, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

There is at Bread and circuses. You're not hitting it because of the capitalization. I personally believe that "Bread and Circuses" should redirect to Bread and circuses, not this page, because that page contains both this episode and the Roman concept.-RomeW 03:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gladiators and Christianity

Did the episode explain why gladiatorial combats were taking place (I have not seen the episode in question)? It's clear that they've taken the Roman Empire past the point where it became a Christian empire, but Constantine I, the first "Christian" emperor, banned gladiatorial combats in 325, with the last gladiator combats in the City of Rome during the reign of Honorius. Simply put, the Christianized Roman Empire didn't have gladiatorial combats and I'm curious if the episode explained that. -RomeW 22:46, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Been a while since I seen this episode, but it seems some form of Christianity existed (as characters mentioned "hearing the words of the Son"), however, those who pursued the belief were enslaved and forced to fight in gladitorial combat, probably in hopes that they would be killed off. Magna Roma seems to have developed along similar lines to Earth, however the Roman Empire existed well into its version of the 20th Century. Believers said the "words of the Son" were ancient, (as old as the empire itself) but it seems the Empire never accepted it as Earth's Romans had done, and kept it quelled under a secular police state. Cyberia23 00:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Ah! So this is a 20th century version of pre-Christian Rome! That makes a lot more sense. Thanks. -RomeW 03:11, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, they had televised gladitorial games and the Centurion soldiers had machine guns and were dressed like riot control cops. Cyberia23 16:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christianity

This conclusion seems a bit off "...and goes on to imply that Christianity is necessary for the advancement of a society into a modern, space dwelling people, something with which Spock does not contend with a typical "illogical, captain," hence acknowledging the statement as true." Wasn't it more like Kirk wished he could stick around to watch the growth and achieving of dominance of Christianity all over again, not that it was "necessary" to achieve spaceflight? 68.124.177.7 08:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

The episode was on last night and that was my interpretation too. Ellsworth 00:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)