Talk:Boy Scouting (Boy Scouts of America)
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[edit] Featured Article Nomination
I was really blown away by the quality of this piece. I really don't see how it could be better, and in my opinion, is already better than some of the present featured articles. So I nominated it! Sue Rangell 02:46, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, thank you. We thought it needed more work, but we'll see how it goes.Rlevse 09:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well it looks like it's going to make it. I'm very proud to have nominated it, I know a lot of work went into it. I did not participate in the article, I simply know a good thing when I see it, so I hope you all take a little time and give each other barnstars for the things you all have done. You guys deserve them. Sue Rangell[citation needed] 19:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- The archive of the failed nomination is here Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Boy Scouting (Boy Scouts of America)/archive1. --evrik (talk) 20:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Issues
There are some things I had been mulling over:
- The rank infobox was also in the Eagle Scout article and it got deleted for over use of fair-use images. With the rank articles now merged here, it doesn't really make much sense to have that box anymore. This is going to apply to the other membership articles.
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- rm'd.Rlevse 17:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Article name: Per the Language of Scouting, it probably should be Boy Scouting, not Boy Scouts. Again, a decision here would also apply to the other membership articles (except Venturing). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gadget850 (talk • contribs) 13:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
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- renamed all.Rlevse 17:19, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Youth leadership still needs some work. I need to look at refs from home.
- Surprisingly, we have not yet mentioned publications such as the Scout Handbook or the Scoutmaster's Handbook. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Right now, the infobox in the "Youth advancement" section is a glorified list and serves no purpose. I also don't really like the infoboxes for the Motto/Slogan and the Outdoor Code - the right edge of the article is rather busy.
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- well, others liked it, so there's disagreement on this one.Rlevse 17:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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- I agree that the title should be changed. The repetition of the phrase "Boy Scouts" has always bothered me a little.
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- renamed all.Rlevse 17:19, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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- "Youth leadership" does need work, and so does "Adult leadership".
- We definitely need to mention the main publications. I have a couple of them at home, but they're probably outdated by now. I think we should also mention "youth protection" measures, such as that sexual harassment video that they show every year, if we can get some sources. --Smack (talk) 15:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- I created Youth Protection program so we can have a common reference. Still needs work, but it is a start. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Emblems
I just reorganized the "Emblems" section. It just lists the rank badges, with only a cursory discussion of each, and fails to mention any other emblems. --Smack (talk) 23:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- It still only show rank badges, and now it is in list format. In a good article, lists are normally only used in See also, References and External links or in List of articles. What other emblems should we cover? --Gadget850 ( Ed) 11:48, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
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- The Manual of Style does not deprecate bulleted lists quite as decisively as you do. As far as which emblems we should include, I'm really not sure how far this topic extends before it ends up in "Uniform and insignia" territory. At first, I thought that it includes all badges, but I may be wrong about that. --Smack (talk) 04:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps we should just cover the universal emblem and move the ranks to insignia? --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- That sounds good. Since we're working in a subsection of "Ideals", everything we say should relate to the ideals of the organization as a whole. It makes sense to discuss how the organization's logo symbolizes these ideals, but the rank badges are too specific. However, they do happen to resemble the logo, so we'll have some overlap of content. --Smack (talk) 17:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ranks
This has been bothering me while I've been looking over all of the scouting articles and the thing that is bothering me is that none of them really go in-depth about the ranks besides the eagle badge. I think it might be of some merit for us to start marking up the badges and making a list that tells the requirements of the badge and the history behind it.--Joshic Shin 22:58, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- We had separate rank articles for over two years that never went beyond stubs, so we recently merged these here. Eagle Scout is much more notable (not to be confused with important) as compared to the other ranks. As far as history, while the requirements have changed, the badges have remained relatively stable- the knot was dropped from Life and Life/Star was swapped. Some of this is in History of the Boy Scouts of America, and anything significant should certainly be added. As far as requirements, where do you want to go? --Gadget850 ( Ed) 03:45, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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- I would think the best way to go would be simple having a main article listing all the badges and having all the requirments under each one of them. That would be the simplest way.--Joshic Shin 02:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- OK. I'll work out the article names for the Boy Scout and Cub Scout ranks we merged and you can recreate them. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 11:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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We've merged these into this article twice in the last year or so as they have never grown beyond short articles:
- Life Scout (Boy Scouts of America)
- Star Scout (Boy Scouts of America)
- First Class (Boy Scouts of America)
- Second Class (Boy Scouts of America)
- Tenderfoot (Boy Scouts of America)
- Scout (Boy Scouts of America)
--Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- I have just created an article that, rather then putting each rank on a seperate page, combines them into one. Ranks in Boys Scouts of America has no been created and would appreciate work being done to make it at least a good article. The Placebo Effect 20:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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- This should also be announced on the project page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting --Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)