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Contents 1 Australia Perepective 2 Bag in a box's linguistic effect 3 Type of English 4 removal of: Bag in a box's linguistic effect 5 What makes a goonbag a goonbag? 6 Preservatives 7 Does the wine touch air or does it not? 8 What is that Prisma Pak thing?

[edit] Australia Perepective

This article is too Australia-focused. The prices are in Australian Dollars. The slang (Goon) is Australian. The esperiences of the author reflect an Australian point of view. And lastly the edit page says this page is part of wiki project Australia. Australia is a cool country and all but this page should reflect an international point of view, prices in US dollars, and any specific references to Australia should be in an Australian Box Wine subcatagory on the same page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.127.73.224 (talk) 02:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

Whilst I can appreciate that the prices should be in US currency, that is only because that it is globally recognised. As for the article itself being too "Australia-Focused", that is rediculous. For everyone else in the world, this is just "box wine" but "goon" or "cask wine" is iconic to Australia, especially Australian suburbia and teenagers. Whilst the rest of the world may not understand this, it is part of the Australian way of life (not necessarily drinking it, but making jokes about other people drinking it certainly is) and is therefore part of our cultural heritage, this is evidenced by the fact that it is in the wikipedia Australia project. The fact that the Australian term "Cask Wine" redirects to the US centric "Box Wine" is culturally insensitive, as it is an Australian invention, and that is how it is referred to by the originators. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.214.124.126 (talk) 09:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Bag in a box's linguistic effect

Anybody who thinks Tetra Paks (wine in a box) is good for the environment should think again. According to Gord Perks "Tetra Pak is the Hummmer and Glass is the bicycle".

Is this article's section about "Aboriginal Briefcase", "goon" and "goonbag" genuine or a joke? I have never heard the term 'goon' to mean the things the article states... Has anyone else heard of these terms before? Are they common or at all widespread? MinorEdit July 8, 2005 23:24 (UTC)

I dunno, any Aussies or Kiwis who can answer that question? Wnissen 9 July 2005 05:10 (UTC)

I haven't personally heard "goonbag" used, but "goon" is most definitely a widely used slang term for cheap, nasty wine (I'm in Sydney, Australia). —Stormie July 9, 2005 06:52 (UTC)

Living Western Australia the terms "goon" and "goonbag" are frequently used by young people (ie: ~16-20 y/o's for whom the generally lower price of cask wine is attractive) and I readily understood them. My guess (although highly hazardous) is that the word comes from 'flagon' - which is a container for carying wine. "Aboriginal Briefcase" I have never heard before, although I understand context - which appears to be a rasist comment centred around substance abuse within the Australian Aboriginal population. Commander Keane 03:52, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Yep, "goon" and "goonbag" are both used quite often here. Putrid stuff to drink.

I'm yet to meet someone from anywhere in Australia who doesn't know the term "goon", not saying they don't exist, but it is very widespread. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.214.124.126 (talk) 09:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC).

Both goon & goonbag are very common words throughout my community (Newcastle Uni, NSW, Australia). I would also like to add that for a wine to be classified goon it has to come from a cask (goonbag). There are lots of cheap & nasty bottled wines but IMO its not goon even though it could be the same recipe.202.7.166.171 06:41, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I hear "goon" and "goonbag" all the time, but only explicitly in reference to cask wine. It can be cheap and nasty as all hell, but if it's in a bottle it isn't "goon". —DO'Neil 10:46, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Never heard of "goon" when I lived in Victoria, but everyone in the ACT calls cask wine goon if that's any help. I think it's a Queensland colloqualism that's slowly spreading. GeorgeBills 16:03, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

The term 'Abos Handbag' is not used at all and is a vandalism. the term Goon is used very commonly in the ACT by students, I also did my undergrad at UQ, where goon is a dominant drink, 'goon drinking' and 'goon of fortune' are very common pastimes.

[edit] Type of English

The English used here doesn't seem to be encyclopaedic. "It is truly a biblical sight"(!) one man squirting wine into another's mouth?

[edit] removal of: Bag in a box's linguistic effect

OK I've deleted all the following:

Bag in a box's linguistic effect The bag in a box method of wine packaging has, in Australia, led to the addition of "Aboriginal Briefcase" and "Goonbag" to the national vernacular. "Goonbag" is simple derivation arising from the supposition that only 'goons' drink them, a derogatory term. The "Aboriginal Briefcase" is a somewhat more sinister title, implying that people of Aboriginal descent are often drunkards. Goonbag has led to the branding of cheap cask wine as 'Goon' in Australia, and many punch recipies include the term 'Goon'.

Reason is... The only term I believe to be in genuine common use is "goon", and that is already listed in Australian words so does not need to be repeated here. This is not really the best place for goon to be listed anyway ("goon" means cheap wine, yet the myriad of other slang terms for cheap or substandard wine are not listed here.) I do not believe the other terms are in common enough usage to warrant their listing here. MinorEdit 22:51, July 11, 2005 (UTC) - goon does not mean cheap wine, it means cheap CASK wine, the term used a lot in western australia, particularly in the 15 - 20 demographic.

[edit] What makes a goonbag a goonbag?

I thoroughly enjoy a nice cold goonbag in the evening, i have a question though, would you consider a prestiege 2L winecask or a cask filled with fortified wine to be classified under the term goonbag? or does it exclusively refer to el cheapo wines? fruity lexia anyone? 139.168.90.83 07:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Anything in a box is fair game to be called goon in my experience. A cask of port, definitely so. Fruity Dyslexia? Even more so!! —Stormie 08:16, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Preservatives

I have heard that goon has higher amounts of preservatives to normal wine, meaning it is less healthy for you. Does anyone know if this is true? Stuart mcmillen 05:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Generally "goon" has a higher sugar level, meaning that it is at greater risk of microbiological spoilage. Therefore more preservatives are added, such as potassium metabisulphite or sorbic acid, to prevent this spoilage. Whether people class these chemicals as "unhealthy" for you is a matter of contention. ◄§ĉҺɑʀκs► 08:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Does the wine touch air or does it not?

In this article, one section states that the wine never touches air and that prevents oxidation. The next section says that the bag is gas-porous which results in a definite shelf life.

This is a blatant contradiction. Either air touches the wine, or it does not. If the bag is gas-porous as the second section says, then the wine touches air all the time and the first statement is false. Reswobslc 18:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What is that Prisma Pak thing?

I am unable to find information for that on Google 81.39.137.205 20:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

It appears to be called Tetra Prisma [1]