User talk:Bowsy

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Welcome to my Talk Page. I tend to reply to mesages left here on this page (unless it's on a VERY important issue) so I suggest watching my page if you are waiting for a reply. --Bowsy (review me!)

Welcome!

Hello, Bowsy, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  --BigDT 17:52, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Helpme request

What exactly do you need help with? Cheers! Yuser31415 19:43, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I think I have encountered a vandal IP account. 68.149.36.213 has vandalised pages related to the Mario Party series several times within a short space of time. Bowsy 19:57, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay - I'm just off to deal with him. Cheers! Yuser31415 20:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, he's been severely dealt with. Let me know if he vandalizes again . Cheers! Yuser31415 20:39, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

He's vandalised again! Early this morning he removed the "Playable in Beach Volley Folly" character section of Mario Party 4! Bowsy 19:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I gave him a {{blanking4}} warning. If he vandalizes again, let me know - I'll report him. Oh, and just as an aside: in an emergency, contact me on my talk page in case I don't check back here. Cheers! . Yuser31415 20:42, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Note; I've fixed this section per a Help Desk request by Bowsy; a TfD was messing up its appearance. --ais523 19:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Vandalism" edit summaries

Hi,

I've noticed that you've been adding or removing content from articles with the edit summary "rv vandalism" or "remove vandalism". However, many of the edits before these edits were not vandalism, rather good faith edits. It's encouraged to assume good faith on Wikipedia, meaning that edits that aren't blatant vandalism should not usually be considered vandalism. Try to use a different edit summary, such as "rm/rv good faith edits". You are quite a good contributor, especially for a relatively (<2 months) new user. Try to improve based on this message, and keep up the good work! –Llama mansign here 20:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! –Llama mansign here 16:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shroob image

I apologize, but I had to remove the image of the shroob. I have seen the "fight" you had with Metros about a Bowser pic, am I wrong? I'm sorry, but those types of images are official artwork. It breaks Florida law. I see in your last post regarding the Bowser pic on his page, you complained that the image should have been replaced with a link to the image. If you would like the link on I am sorry, but just type [[:Image:Shroob.jpg|Your text here]] where the image used to be.

I'm sorry, but I have no proof. Nor does Metros. However, it is clearly stated on a guideline page and sorry, must be followed.

-- ~D-Lord (Sign!) (TCE) 01:21, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

However, I can interest you in a Bowser pic that can be added anywhere... let me find it... -- ~D-Lord (Sign!) (TCE) 14:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

voila! Click here, and this one you can use freely! -- ~D-Lord (Sign!) (TCE) 14:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Apparantly, all rights have been released, so I have taken the liberty of putting image back up. Sorry 'bout that. -- ~D-Lord (Sign!) (TCE) 15:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help request

Hi. What is your question? Xiner (talk, email) 19:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I have been suspected as a sockpuppet of Henchman 2000, which I'm not. They have no evidence to say this except that our pages are similar, we edit at roughly the same time and that I voted for the deletion of WP:CRUFT. How can I clear my good name as I have been praised by other editors and I do not deserve to be called a puppet because I'm not? Bowsy 19:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: A Case in My Defence

  • This was a blatantly false claim, and could be classified as uncivil. This was also an obviously false claim. The latter would normally be forgiven as you were pretty new, but posting so many times, arguing that the image could be used on your page, is not acceptable.
  • Just because a person makes valuable edits doesn't necessarily mean the person isn't a sockpuppet (Take User:Pedia-I, for example).
  • I praised you for your contribs because you were quite a good new user. However, when I compared you and Henchman's contribs, the edit war, and the MfD, it seemed you were sockpuppets.
  • There is nothing wrong with being the only person of a certain vote on an XfD, but your !vote came four minutes after the nom. It would be nearly impossible to go to the WP:CRUFT page and/or WP:MFD, find the MfD, and write your arguement within four minutes.

I am not saying you are definitely a sockpuppet, but it seems quite likely. Either way, just wait a few days for some more comments at the SSP page. –Llama mansign here 20:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Just to make this completely clear: I am very, very sorry if you are, in fact editing from the same household and are not a sockpuppet. Again, just wait some more for some more comments at the SSP. –Llama mansign here 21:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I believe you that you are sharing a computer. It seemed likely at first that you were sockpuppets, but that likeliness has decreased in my opinion. –Llama mansign here 20:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

My sincere apologies. Grandmasterka 09:10, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] regarding the sock case

Hi, the WP:HELPDESK is only for questions on how to use Wikipedia. I think you want Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. — coelacan talk — 10:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your edits on Mr. Krabs

  • When i refer to vandalism i either say "rvv" (reverted vandalism) "rmv vandalism" (removed vandlaism) or just "rv" (revert). --AMK152 (Talk • Contributions Leave message) 12:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sockpuppet

Hi, I have see your accusing me of being a sockpuppet of Bowser, King of the Koopas. Firstly i would like to congratulate your for being the third person to accuse me of being a sockpuppet of someone. Now on to the Evidence,

  • DXRAW's name was mentioned by Bowser as an account he is using that isn't blocked.
No idea why i got picked but if i was the sockpuppet why would i do somthing like that? I thought the idea of having a sockpuppet was to get around a block not try to get blocked.
  • Both have received warnings about persistent vandalism.
I cant find any warnings for persistent vandalism, Can you please provide me with some diffs?
  • Both vandalise articles related to wrestling.
Can you also please provide me with some diffs for this also. DXRAW 13:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Listcruft

Please note my close, in particular the link I gave which details how to propose a merge. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 06:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Diffs

Can you please provide me some diffs of where this is happening?--Isotope23 19:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Regarding, List of Mario Party 8 minigames, he pointed out what I said and you made your case against it, so it really is up to the closing admin how they want to treat your 2 opinions. I'll weigh in on the talkpage in a few minutes.--Isotope23 19:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

I have encouraged no one to treat you unfairly. Check my edit history. Where exactly did I do that? I can't just tell people not to agree with my opinion. I don't control what others think and/or post on Wikipedia. I'm using no tricks: I'm following the guidelines (which everyone needs to follow, there shouldn't be exceptions made). You and Henchman share a computer, while it appears you aren't sockpuppets, meatpuppets seems more likely (even if both of you dispute it). I don't want anyone banned from Wikipedia, so don't put words in my mouth. Also: I didn't create the sockpuppet and meatpuppet guidelines (and I wasn't the first to post the guideline mentioned either). So I certainly didn't just throw that out there and convince everyone to agree about that. RobJ1981 11:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

As for the whole "encouraging" nonsense: I was just pointing out something people should know. The sockpuppet case is closed, but the comment at the bottom still applies. There is absolutely no reason to ignore it, or pretend it never happened. You and Henchman share a computer, and it's possible you two are meatpuppets. Ignoring the fact you two share a computer (and the whole sockpuppet case and so on), isn't how Wikipedia works. RobJ1981 23:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I already know what Isotope wrote (I read his comment: as it was posted on the RFC for Henchman days ago). That request for comment is still not settled, by the way. The RFC isn't about meatpuppetry, in case you were wondering. It's about Henchman's personal attacks and threats. Well I'm glad you didnt go and post an attack like Henchman did. So I will give you credit for that. But nothing has been proven against meatpuppetry still, in my opinion. Sockpuppetry: yes, proven you two aren't that... but meat is a different story. RobJ1981 22:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MP8 afd

I think I made my position fairly clear on the page. I would be quite willing to change my vote if I saw a significant change in the article, and I believe it could be cleaned up. However, at present I believe the article is highly unencyclopedic and I believe that, due to the nature of the article, it would be difficult to rewrite it in an appropriately encyclopedic manner. Perhaps comparing it to a walkthrough was inappropriate, but the fact remains that there is little encyclopedic content on that page. If the minigames were described in more clarity or with more than just a simple plot summary of what the player must do (hence the "walkthrough"), then I would support the article's inclusion. However, as it stands, I see no reason to change my vote of weak delete. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 17:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure the article could be made very encyclopedic, given the subject matter. If you really need suggestions as to how to clean up the article, first of all, the article should be referenced appropriately; at the moment (or the last time I saw the article anyway) there were just a bunch of links hanging around. To rectify this, see the appropriate pages at WP:HOW and WP:STYLE. As far as the data go, if you were to include more about the minigames' history, significance and function in the game, and any important details about the minigames, they might be improved to make the article useful. However, as I said, the reason that I favor the article's deletion is that I don't think there is much of substance to the article that could constitute an encyclopedic article, even though I believe the games themselves are notable. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 20:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, the changes you made are an improvement to the article, but I don't know that they are sufficient to make the article very encyclopedic. And it would still require a great deal of work to appropriately source the article. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 21:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] {{helpme}}

Hello, Bowsy. What is it you need help with? —PurpleRAIN 19:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Ever since a sock case, I have been treated like an extension of User:Henchman 2000. Can you give me some advice on what I could do to stop people treating me this way, and help me to get the respect and rights that I deserve? Bowsy (review me!) 13:54, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the slow response; I was busy for a couple of days. I haven't looked at the details of this sockpuppet/meatpuppet business, but my best advice to you would be to step back from commenting on polls, AfDs, etc., for a while. If you're not saying anything and User:Henchman 2000 continues to speak up, it might be more obvious that the two of you aren't working collaboratively. Give it a few weeks, and things should cool off. If it continues to be a problem, then maybe it's time to abandon this account and create a new one instead. Stop using User:Bowsy entirely, and "become" a different person. Then forget about the places where these conflicts were occurring and get on with your Wikilife elsewhere on Wikipedia. Hope that helps. —PurpleRAIN 16:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] I give my full support of the Mario games article.

I put my opinion up, albeit, JzG does not like me very much. Oh well.Lee Nysted 23:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help me

When posting the {{help me}} template, actually say WHY you need help. Don't just put the template up. So what do you need? Metros232 14:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

The meatpuppetry nonsense is continuing even though JzG supposedly stamped it out. RobJ will not listen to JzG and continues to be discriminative. Also, AKMask has recently started to discriminate against us as well. This needs to stop, and fast. Bowsy (review me!) 14:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Uhh okay...and that's not something that help me is meant for. Please do not abuse the system, Metros232 14:26, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

How come it isn't? I do need urgent help, after all. Bowsy (review me!) 14:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Help me is for help needed with things related to edits or learning Wikipedia. For example "how do I upload this image to this article?" or "how can I change the infobox for this article?" That kind of stuff. Metros232 14:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Uhh... OK. But where do I go to report this stuff? Bowsy (review me!) 14:34, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

You talk to that user you have an issue with. Metros232 14:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Meatpuppets

Oh come now, you knew exactly what I meant, don't dance around it. -Mask 09:23, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Stop, why whatsoever for? Isotope23 the Admin who closed your Sockpuppet case ( you know, the one at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Henchman 2000 ) even said in closing these are 2 separate individuals using 1 computer... however, that being the case you both need to be careful about meatpuppetry; soliciting a person sharing your computer to show up to articles for deletion debates or content conflicts on articles and support your position is probably not going to be looked upon very favorably by the community. Both of you need to keep that in mind. Seems you've overstepped that. Textbook case of meatpuppetry. Ill point that out with your notice on the AfD -Mask



[edit] Sources

There has to be something out there to source these with. What you did with List of Mario Party 8 minigames would be sufficient. I'm not expecting peer reviewed journals... but there has to be a fansite or something out there that list or describes these minigames. Normally I would not advocate using a fansite as a source, but I think in this case that would probably be sufficient.--Isotope23 14:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Bowser image thing

Hi, I saw your message at User talk:DarknessLord, and wanted to reply: Image:800px-Bowser over the years in 8 - 32 bit games.JPG was from Wikimedia Commons, so it wasn't deleted here, but there (confusing, I know); see [1]. –Llama mantalkcontribs 18:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shroob

Didn't know whether or not to put this under the other one above...

The reason I replaced the Shroob image's NoRightsReserved template with the Character-Artwork template is because I thought that would be proper... It's done with all the other Mario artwork. N. Harmonik 04:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mario Party

Well, that's just completely inane. Really. "Face Lift - Similar to playing with Mario's face in "Super Mario 64", players try to get their Bowser face to match the face in the center. The player with the closest match to the center face wins." How is this not guide content? It's telling you how the game is won. A list of levels would never tell you how to beat the level in any way, or at what points you would beat the level, so why in the world can a mini-game list do so? And I ask you, why does a list of mini-games have ANY encyclopedic value whatsoever? - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding [2]

Actually, some people do refer to the show as "SpongeBob", at least in the US. Not that I object to your edit (as it more often refers to the character); I just wanted to clarify that. — MalcolmMay the schwartz be with you! 00:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE:AFD

The problem isn't necessarily references. It's the fact that these articles do absolutely no good to non-Mario Party fans. I actually like the Mario Party games, although the last one I played was the second one, so my vote doesn't come from any personal animosity towards the series. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 18:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism of The Fast and the Furious

Hey Bowsy the user Ghost-robber recently vandalized The Fast and the Furious (PS2 game) article and I noticed on his talk page that you had also noticed him vandalizing. What exactly did he do. What article did he vandalize. I want to know because I want to bring this guy down before he strikes again.

[edit] Success

Hey Bowsy just thought I would let you know that Ghost-robber was taken down a couple of minutes ago. He is now blocked from editing for 1 month according to the administrator who blocked him. Thank you for your assitance in helping me get this guy brought down. Xtreme racer 00:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mario Party minigames AFD

Hi, I have rewritten the introduction to List of Mario Party minigames. As I know nothing about the game except what's in the article and what I skimmed from the references, I'd appreciate it if you would take a look. Thanks, Black Falcon 17:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S. If the article is kept (to me, it looks like a "no consensus"), I think the main issue would be to add more real-world context and description of the minigames in relation to the overall game, rather than about the minigames themselves.

Thanks. And yes, the games are decided by the colour of the spaces the players land on; that is randomly selected. But you are right, that should be noted somehow. -- Black Falcon 16:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
I will try to add some prose for the other lists but can make no promises unfortunately. It largely depends on how much coverage there is of versions 2-8. Also, I have a backlog with a few other articles, so I may not be able to get to the Mario lists soon. However, I will do my best to research and add a little to each list in the coming days. Cheers, Black Falcon 16:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
I just noticed that the first list was deleted. I don't know if the ruling will be appealed, but I don't think adding prose to the other lists is likely to save them from deletion. -- Black Falcon 17:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template

Because they're not encyclopedic. >Radiant< 09:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AFD

I am fully aware of how AFD works, and indeed I go by the discussion and not my opinion. >Radiant< 08:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minigames

I'm not the right person to ask. I suggest you ask for input from the Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games; especially the founder of that project, if you can find them might be able to give you useful tips. - Mgm|(talk) 18:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DRV

Depends on the context. Can you give an example? - Mgm|(talk) 12:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

  • There are several people who support rewriting the material and including it in the main game articles. I think it's impossible to properly describe a game without describing its levels. It only becomes a game guide when it tells you how to play the game, or give a walkthrough or cheats for its levels. You might be better off convincing people that the reasoning is faulty instead of challenging the validity of their comment/vote. - Mgm|(talk) 12:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • The comments I saw from McKay used faulty reasoning. They put the burden on the discussion participants about things that are the creator or the article's editors' responsibilities. I've made a comment in a debate related to game guides and I'll see how that turns out first. - Mgm|(talk) 17:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • As Arkyan says below. Wikipedia:Dispute resolution is probably your best bet. - Mgm|(talk) 19:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DRV Vote

I understand your desire to see this article kept. However if you have a problem with Radiant! or anyone else, please bring your issues up with them or follow the standard dispute process, you should not be trying to convince me of any impropriety on his part. In any case your discussion on my talk page is more suited to the DRV debate rather than coming to me personally. While I respect your opinion I still feel that Radiant! made the right desicion when closing the AfD and have voiced that support in the DRV discussion. Arkyan • (talk) 18:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] DRVs

(Response left on my talk page) The Kinslayer 07:55, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

And next time before accusing me of, and I quote, Vote is abuse of DRV, for it is not about content. This user has clearly voted in this manner because they also did so on the AfD, and for no other reason., you should make sure you actually know what the f**k your talking about BEFORE you throw around words like 'abuse'. Even a 'special' person would have thought a smart move would be to first check the AfD to see if I had voted. Let me talk you through how to do this. First open this link, you will find yourself on the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Mario Party minigames page. Next, perform a text search for 'the kinslayer' (and 'kinslayer' if you want to be thorough. You do want to be thorough don't you? After all, it wouldn't do to go around accusing people of things when you've done no or very poor amounts of research right?) Well what do you know, turns out I didn't make so much as a single comment in the AfD you accused me of voting in. Guess I haven't 'clearly voted in this manner because they also did so on the AfD, and for no other reason.' Don't worry, I wont hold it against you, just an apology and we can be on our merry ways. The Kinslayer 12:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I notice you've given this message to another user, as well. In an attempt to prevent further conflict, and due to both Kinslayer's lengthy reply and the fact that deletion was endorsed and due to the fact that you should worry more about your sockpuppetry case, I'll just say to please don't leave such a message on my page again. I'm already dealing with a stressful situation to begin with, and I am probably a razor's edge away from it getting to the point of me getting blocked, so I'd kindly ask you to please refrain from unnecessarily inciting conflict with such a message. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 21:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion about you

Please see this thread and this evidence page and respond if you desire. -Mask 21:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edits in my user space

Next time you edit a page in my userspace that does not have the word 'talk' in it, you will be reported for vandalism. -Mask 16:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Use the discussion tab at top, the puppets page has a talkpage :) -Mask 18:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AFD

Bowsy, my exact words when I closed the sock case were:
"...however, that being the case you both need to be careful about meatpuppetry; soliciting a person sharing your computer to show up to articles for deletion debates or content conflicts on articles and support your position is probably not going to be looked upon very favorably by the community. Both of you need to keep that in mind."
I have no authority to tell you what you can and cannot participate in here, but like I said in that statement, participating in the same AfD's as Henchman probably isn't going to be looked favorably upon; and that is pretty much where this has gone. My suggestion on AN/I that you both be barred from participating in the same AfD's is the common sense solution in my opinion. I don't want to see you or Henchman get blocked or banned from general editing here and it appears that 90% of the issues and conflict surrounding the both of you are stemming from these AfDs. At this point though it is up to the community at large on WP:CN how this should be handled.--Isotope23 18:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

What I said/say isn't the final word here. The text I posted there was a statement of opinion, not some official decree from on high. Up to this point there is no policy, etc that says you cannot participate in the same XfD's but like I've said several times, doing so may wear out the community patience here.--Isotope23 18:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:CN

You never supported it and banning is only going to leave us with no vote and no voice. You made it expressly clear your voices are one and the same, two people speaking as one. One Night In Hackney303 18:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Sadly your Freudian slip makes your combined intentions perfectly clear in my opinion, and given your abuse of the DRV process and harassment of anyone who disagrees with the deletion of the non-encylopedic articles, you have dug your own grave in my opinion and seemingly in the opinions of other editors as well. Your badgering of me based on my comment on WP:CN is inappropriate, and I kindly ask that you desist from it henceforth. One Night In Hackney303 18:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
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