Talk:Boris Tadić

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pa ono mislim nije fer ljudi

Kumdjole 14:31, 25 March 2006 (UTC) Treba ovo da se sredi, gle kako je konfuzno....

Contents 1 grandparents' death 2 Tadic a Croat 3 Nomenclature 4 Great Article about Tadic

[edit] grandparents' death

His grandparents have been killed in the Ustaša Genocide - such an expression cannot be used in an Encyclopedia - you should be more specific about their death - were they mudered, executed or were they killed in a battle or during the bombing, etc. Jasra 20:33, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

not in a battle or bombing, they were killed in a massacre. one of so many - people were thrown into pits, burnt alive inside ortodox churches, or killed in places like jasenovac. his parents were from herzegovina, where some of the worst atrocities of ustashe happened. their only crime was being ortodox serbian. it is no surprise that his grandparents were killed - most of serbs from that area have someone in their families killed in the holocaust. the sentence says quite clearly - killed in genocide. that means not in battle/bombing, but deliberately executed for being serbian - quite widespread in ndh. Cicceroa 08:06, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Though I don't dispute any of your facts Cicceroa, the term 'genocide' is still one of controversy and its usage should be bannished from any encyclopaedia: I mean this about so-called Serb genocide of the 90s too. Because I am neutral over Balkan conflicts, I am often seen to defend Serb/Yugoslav actions in the 90s, at the same time, I have to be fair towards all parties. The nature of Genoicde is satirical entire of itself. The person who coined the term was a jew in the aftermath of World War II to describe the holocaust. Geno- taken from Greek and -cide from latin (to kill), everybody knows this now. In an actual genocide, you don't let a single person go, nor do you stop the atrocity when war has ended, your drive is to finish the job and your own life is not worth continuation should you fail. Only the global elite can try war criminals for genocide on the grounds that they "murdered members of a religious group" or "temporarily created inhumane conditions for an ethnic group" (so we should accuse Americans of genocide after they bomb a market in Baghdad because three of the victims supported the same football team; football=religion to fanatics; members of a religious group are killed; America=Genocide), or perhaps having more than one member of a nationality in the same prison in California and running the heating a mere 4 degrees too warm for half an hour in the afternoon=inhumane conditions for an ethnic group); it is a joke, the term 'genocide'. If the gen- was really subject to -cide, Mr.Tadic would not be here himself (unless his parents declared themselves Croatian in which case he still wouldn't be in the same place he is now.) Celtmist 1 Apr 2006

Ustasha crimes are considered a chapter of Holocaust, in fact the most henious, if not the most well known. The genocide was downplayed in Tito's time - quite the opposite happenes now, when massacre of several thousand prisoners in Srebrenica is proclaimed genocide. Certainly, claim that Ustasha genocide was genocide is far less contraversial, since Holocaust is the prime example of genocide. Maybe one should say that his grandparents were victims of Holocaust. However, Ustashe played an enthusiastic role in this, and their role should be underlined - they died in Holocaust, as victims of Ustasha's. Cicceroa 11:44, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that the phrasing should be dispute, only the accuracy. It is a quality of encyclopedias to be concrete and precise about something. Saying that the Ustaše killed Tadić's grandparents is about as precise as saying that they were killed in WWII, and only a bit more precise than saying that they were killed in one of the world wars in the 20th century. Combined with the fact that this is mentioned in the lead section, one can't conclude anything other than lack of any knowledge about what it means to edit an encyclopedia on part of the person who wrote that. --Joy [shallot] 12:52, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tadic a Croat

It is always sad to hear of what happened on both sides in ww2. The Chetniks and Ustashe not only killed other ethnic groups who wouldn't join them but their own people. In the case of Mr Tadic whos last name is of Croat origin without doubt I can understand him being very anti Croat because of what happened to his grandparents. This sort of story was also common in Dalmatia where Ustashe killed Croats...SAD BUT TRUE..

This is a good lesson that the Chetniks and Ustashe were an evil minority hell bent on distruction and nobody stood in the way, not even own people...anyone who says iam wrong must be crazy.

I think death of Yugoslav Partizan war hero Bosko Buha (ethnic Serb)sums this up, he was killed by Serbian Chetniks...see what i mean..killed by own blood.

Evergreen Montenegro1 02:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I doubt anyone should disagree Evergreen. Celt 16 Apr 2006

We can add partisans to that list as well Krakas 01:24, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nomenclature

I believe the use of the title professor is problematic. While in Serbia high school-level instructors are referred to as "professors," this is not the case in the United States, where it is reserved for those with a doctoral degree. Thus, unless Tadic holds a PhD degree in psychology--which I don't believe he does--the use of the term may be misleading to native speakers. This is further compounded by the use of the term gymnasium, which, in English, denotes a gymnastics hall--or gym, for short--whereas in Serbian, it refers to an ordinary high school, in the U.S. sense of the word. Therefore, I believe it may be better to put the word gymnasium in parentheses and replace professor with teacher.

Not only does a person have to have a phd to call him/herself a professor, he also has to actually teach at a collage, or other institution of higher learning Krakas 01:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Tadic can't be considered from Bosnia and Herzegovina because lived there couple of years of his life.

[edit] Great Article about Tadic

I like this article in whole, especially the truth about his family members, and letting the world know what lies behind so called "croatian democracy". There were always a minority between croatian people (ustasas, hdz, etc.) that were spreading hostility and evil towards their south slavic brothers. Now they're dying out, and will probably dissappear totally soon, that's a fact. Still, there'are always some "leftovers" from the evil forces, who are even dare to write on the pages of this beautiful and neat encyclopedia. Anyway, their broken "gebbels" propaganda is finished, it's dead forever; On the contrary, a strong will of renewed south slav brotherhood is raising again between all south slavic peoples, and their new victory over the demons from the past is coming very soon..