Talk:Bonny Hicks

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Bonny Hicks was a good article candidate, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. Once the objections listed below are addressed, the article can be renominated. You may also seek a review of the decision if you feel there was a mistake. Date of review: 2007-03-28

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This article was nominated for deletion on 27 December 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

It is requested that an image be included in this article to improve its quality, if possible. This image request is for Photos of: 1. Photos of her memorial, if one exists. I realize her body was never recovered, but I am thinking her mother and others set up a small memorial for her at some site, at a cemetery or somewhere, probably in Singapore. 2. Photos of The Bonny Hicks Education & Training Centre. It is located at: The Singapore Council of Womens Organisations 96 Waterloo Street Singapore Tel. (65) 6837-0611 3. Photos of her modeling. I am going to venture that the above training center has some pictures of her hanging on the wall of which someone could take photos. In fact, I think I see photos of her hanging on the wall of the copyrighted photo of the inside of the center here! Otherwise, pictures of her modeling could come from scans of ads--or anything, really--and could be used under fair use rationale. Also, Excuse me, are you a model? has photos in it that someone could scan. I'd rather not buy the book...just so I can avoid having to explain to my wife what the heck I am doing with it, LOL. :-) .

Contents 1 Reads like PR 2 Good article nomination 3 Renominating as Good Article 4 comment

[edit] Reads like PR

This is badly written. It reads like a handout from a press agent, not an encyclopaedia article.

That obviously no longer applies. CyberAnth 08:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good article nomination

I think this has been transformed enough in the last few days that it could meet this criteria. I thus nominated it. The rating of "Start class" is no longer valid and the rating of "Low-importance" is I think clearly in error, e.g. the article excerpt,

Describing the consensus of Singaporean literary scholars in 1995, two years prior Hicks's death, Ismail S. Talib in The Journal of Commonwealth Literature stated of Excuse me, are you a Model?, "We have come to realize in retrospect that Hicks’s autobiographical account of her life as a model was a significant milestone in Singapore’s literary and cultural history".

CyberAnth 09:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Alright, so someone came along and adjudicated this as a "B Class" article. Fair enough. I thus withdrew the GA nom.

But let's get this article above that. I admit I came upon this article by force of circumstances. I did what I did to save it from deletion because I knew enough about Singaporean post-colonial literature to know that Hicks held an important place therein, and I had the basic skills to do research on anything or anyone.

I created a place where this article is in draft form in preparation for posting here and re-nomination for GA status. Go to User:CyberAnth/Bonny_Hicks_Draft. My experience is that a draft in user space is often a better way to work on an article...away from article space until it reaches a level of substantial improvement...and then it can be posted.

So please do come to User:CyberAnth/Bonny_Hicks_Draft to make your changes. I will as frequently as warranted post updates to the main article. User space provides a place for users to more freely improve articles, in my experience, because they can place notes right within the text that make it easier to communally edit. Try it and see. I will also monitor the article and incorporate changes into the draft as appropriate.

This article seriously needs some Singaporean editors. Please, do help.

One request I have is that non-English Singaporean language terms be placed in appropriate places, something for which I just do not have the skills (lest the typewriter).

Also, I am sure there are sources in non-English languages that could be cited, but I just have not got the skills to even read them lest cite them.

CyberAnth 12:26, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello. I am the editor who re-evaluated the article as a B-class article. I don't know why the re-evaluation prompted your withdrawal of the GA nomination - I merely meant to acknowledge the vast improvement in the article (fantastic work on that, by the way) without being overly presumptuous by grading it A-class. Nonetheless, there are areas in which the article can be improved - it needs some restructuring, for one. Try {{Biography}} for an example of how the general structure of a biography should look.

I'm really busy in real life at the moment, but I'll help out with the article in a week or two once the year gets going and I have more time. Thanks again for your work on the article. -ryand 13:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I have thought about this a while and do not think Hicks warrants a full fledged biography. I really do not see this article as a bio but more of an author profile that more than anything highlights her as an author. This is because her notoriety really only concerns her writings. See what I mean? CyberAnth 07:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Renominating as Good Article

I came across this article and it is very informative, with relevant images and a good references section. I do not agree with the B-class grading as I cannot see how the article is lacking in "references, balance of content, or an important section". The prose is quite interesting to read. Hence I believe this article is worthy of GA-class or A-class. Resurgent insurgent 09:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

The article is generally good, but still needs some work. First, the prose needs more work. There are a number of sentences(some examples below) which are either gramatically incorrect, or very awkward. The prose needs to be improved for general readibility.

-Her legacy is understood as important within particularly Singaporean society.

-Hicks had also became a serious student

-She reported she had received one acceptance but was awaiting other possible acceptances before deciding where to attend

The article also needs more citations. There are a number of statements about public comments and statements that have been made that need to be cited. Particularily, there are a number of quotations that are not attributed. The quotations at least should be attributable, and if they are not, they should not be in the article to begin with.

Finally, I think the article could be substantially improved by adding some context. The article discusses how her writings were important contributions to philisophical writing, but these comments seem somewhat difficult to understand. In what way were her writings important to philisophical thought? Without sufficient context, those claims about her importance and impact seem more like biased bolstering of the subject of the article. That is not to say she is undeserving of these comments, just that it is difficult to tell from reading the article how important she really is.-Dekkanar 14:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] comment

Please include her dialect name, her survivors. I heard her family lives between Thomson and Katong. The Sentosa bit is definitely a government attempt to make Sentosa seem like an enclave of rich and famous to those unknowing outside Singapore when in fact, it was Pulau Blakang Mati...Island of the Dead! Who will buy those ugly Sentosa Bungalow when they may sink to join the dead? Hahaha! Didn't they watch 300, democracy always prevails! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 221.127.166.210 (talk • contribs).