Talk:Bombing of Kassel in World War II

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[edit] 3/4 October suburbs

The source I used for the time line was http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/oct43.html It states:

3/4 October 1943

Kassel: 547 aircraft - 223 Halifaxes, 204 Lancasters, 113 Stirlings, 7 Mosquitos. The H2S 'blind marker' aircraft overshot the aiming point badly and the 'visual markers' could not correct this because their view of the ground was restricted by thick haze. German decoy markers may also have been present. The main weight of the attack thus fell on the western suburbs and outlying towns and villages. 24 aircraft - 14 Halifaxes, 6 Stirlings, 4 Lancasters - lost, 4.4 per cent of the force.

A number of Mosquito operations took place; 10 aircraft on a diversion to Hannover, 12 Oboe aircraft to Knapsack power-station near Cologne and 4 on Mark II Oboe trials to Aachen. No losses.

Note: "The main weight of the attack thus fell on the western suburbs". At the moment the article says "eastern suburbs of Ihringshausen and Bettenhausen". I am going to change it to western suburbs. If this is wrong please provide a source. --Philip Baird Shearer 00:59, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] War crimes

As I already did at the Dresden bombing article, I again present sources for the claim that bombing civilians was a crime against humanity: [1], [2] [3]. Again I would like to point out that suppressing this information plays into the hand of sick people who say that the real bug crime of WWII was not the holocaust. 84.59.88.9 23:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Putting sources in the Talk page does no good. Put them in the article. And they have to be reliable sources. User:Zoe|^(talk) 23:46, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

All of those so-called sources are opinion pieces. Where is the documentation for the claims made on those pages? User:Zoe|^(talk) 23:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

And you decide what reliable is? There are thousands of them, and all I want to be stated in the article is that the killing of thousands of civilians can be seen as a war crime or crime against humanity, nothing more. It will always remain an opinion as there were no trials.84.59.88.9 23:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Then provide reliable sources, not opinion pieces!--Kross^Talk 00:13, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

It is an opinion that the bombings were war crimes as no trial has ever decided upon the question. As the opinion is widespread, as can be seen easily using google, it has to be noted. 84.59.88.9 00:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Don't just point to a Google search. Document it. Is there a book or a newspaper or magazine article which talks about the opinions that these actions were war crimes? And don't give me neo-Nazi sites and other sites with an axe to grind, give me a neutral site. User:Zoe|^(talk) 00:46, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Just look above. A fact does not become a fact because it is printed in a book. You can easily find books that say there was no holocaust. By the way, even if it were only Nazis who said this was a war crime - I doubt it because the Nazis used area bombing, too - it would still be noteworthy, as much as it is noteworthy that some lunatics deny the fact that millions were murdered in concentration camps. I have never read any book on that topic and I do not intend to do so. Get-back-world-respect 23:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clearly a britsh war crime

the third attack was clearly a british war crime. the chosen target area was the medival city center. there was no industry, no military installations in these area. it was a planned and systematical massmurder on the civil population without any military justification. a clear violation of article 25 of the den hague landwar convention of 1907. only some fanatic nationalistic british lunatics deny these historical facts. systematical attacks on the civil population are always a war crime thats common sense. the nationality of the victims doesn´t change that fact.--131.173.252.9 13:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)