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Not a speedy delete as non-notable, as the company seem famous enough. Nor as spam as I understand the author of this is Bulgarian, and thus unlikely to be directly associated with this French company. But "accepted as best homeopathic", and so on, are clearly POV. I don't know enough about this company to write a NPOV article myself. --BillC 16:46, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree, Bill. In fact, I added this page to my watchlist when I saw it at RC, and I found myself in the same dead end as you. I'd invite the creator of this article to revise it in full, since he/she must be familiar with the subject. Phædriel 20:30, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Chill out folks. I don't work there - in Boiron. I'm not Boiron partial too. I'm glad you know I'm bulgarian; and to, in fact, clearly disappoint you: I (as far as i can very well remember) have studied not at courses of Boiron, but LCCH - the London College of Classical Homeopathy [look at the issue of classical homeopathy who is vs. Boiron and french homeopathy, sorry i havent yet very well written it but with the time, please have patience, muse dont come easily], as such courses in Bulgaria (like everywhere in the world almost too) exist - these of Boiron. But if you have ever studied homeopathy may be will know - Boiron is widelly accepted as a fairly "GREAT Manifacturing Cycle" pharmaceutical company. If you disagree please comment. :)))) Best regards, Alex, 11:44, 5 January 2006 (GMT +2)
Thank you, I shall comment. Unfortunately, it is irrelevant whether you, or I, or Phædriel, or anyone, is against Boiron, or for them. One's personal opinions are not presented in a NPOV article. The fact is that to describe any company as 'great' and 'best' is point-of-view dependant. What, for example, do Boiron's competitors think? Do they agree that Boiron are the best? Wikipedia just reports the facts: it has no opinions.
If it is your contention that they are the largest supplier of homeopathic products in France, then you need to demonstrate that this is the case by means of verifiable facts. Notwithstanding this, as it stands the article contains a clause that is untrue: "most famous pharmaceutic enterprise". What, for example, about Bayer or Pfizer? Aren't these more famous pharmaceuticals?
(Also, please sign your comments on talk pages with 4 tildes: ~~~~. They get converted to a signature when you save.) --BillC 22:36, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
it is the FACTS. I said if you have anything to say that boiron are not the best. Do you? Can you prove they do not make properly the single remedies? can you? Can you say they do not have GREAT manufacturing cycle. No? Look, you may be a great wikipedian, but you are still not a homeopath :))) though you can try learning it. Ud be interested in it.
However, you are right. What the competitors will say. they do not have major competitors from long-long time ago, as i know, as i have been said by our lecturers. I hope they said the trueth, but i dont think they could lie to us :)))
If anyone could say anything against boiron production it is ive heard such comments (im not sure i remember exactly) - that what is produced, so understand potentized, by hand is better then factory potentization, and that Hahnemann or Kent, cannot remember who of them, used his Bible to potentize his remedies and that this could have had matter in curing too and making them stronger - but this is a kind of superstition to me, though it has some strange logic. Thats all i can say.........If anyone knows atall any competitors of Boiron except for the potentizing-by-themselves hemopaths, he can tell. Id like to hear. Seems like im not informed.
Dont forget - Boiron are ONLY HOMEOPATHIC Company, bayer if produce any homeopathic remedies. produces majorly allopatic, thats y is not usually here and in England considered "a homeopathic company". Such company is Boiron. even if they are not the last and only, somehow they made thier name, among homeopaths. You'll see. You can ask anybody around the globe. This is the reality. I see you are not aquanted but even strange from the outside, the things are such. Funny, strangelly, or not. Maybe because they held courses of education of homeopaths and in this way engage closely with the homeopathy.......the explanations can be many. May be they came to be known with advertising. But we knew them even before they came in the bugarian market and become famous, so they has to be famous around the globe.

Im not sure you understand me. I hope you do. :))

Thank you for the signing help :)) best whishes, 23:20, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
It is not for me, or anyone, to show that Boiron is not something. The burden of proof lies with anyone who claims that they are something. 'Best' is a value judgement, that is, that it depends on one's point of view. Is Boeing the 'best' aircraft manufacturer, Italian the 'best' language, or Manchester United the 'best' football team? These things depend on one's opinion. It may be true that Boiron are the biggest-selling homeopathic pharmaceutical in France, the world or wherever, but this is not what the article says. So, if facts matter (and they do), then you need to find out some facts about this company, and use them. I know that Bayer and Pfizer are conventional pharmaceutical companies (the term allopathic is deprecated). My point was that the article said that Boiron was the "most famous pharmaceutical", and did not say "most famous homeopathic pharmaceutical". "Most famous" is difficult to establish in any case. --BillC 01:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Try this:

Boiron is a multinational France-based homeopathic manufacturing company, having an operating presence in 59 countries worldwide. It is the largest manufacturer of homeopathic products in the world, and in 2005, were the second largest manufacturer in over the counter medicine in France. In 2004, it employed a workforce of 2,779 and had a turnover of €313 million.

In June 2005, the firm acquired Dolisos Laboratories, then the world's second largest homeopathic remedy manufacturer.

One of its key products is Oscillococcinum, claimed to relieve flu symptoms, and one of the biggest-selling homeopathic flu medicines in the United States.

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All verifiable and neutral point of view. It is, of course, short. You may want to expand it. --BillC 01:49, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Perfect, Bill, you've just provided a great example of how a WP article should read and look like. I support your version wholeheartedly; and if no one complains, I'll replace the current text with your version. -- Phædriel *whistle* 11:58, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
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