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[edit] Bogota Government homework

The article lacks info about local politics and local government structure, also info about towns and administrative subdivisions (I think these are called minor cityhalls) and barrios such as chapinero or zona rosa. If possible detail them. you've got homework!!!... --Don Quijote's Sancho 07:18, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bogota Economy??

I dont think bogota's (the city) relies on emeralds or coffee (maybe el eje cafetero but not bogota), but on the fact that is the center of Colombia's industrial sector. telecommunications, food and beverage, construction, flowers, leather and other confections, the university population is huge and that contributes a lot to the city's economy. other facts could be that it has a stock exchange, bvc and goverment leaders and the rich also live and invest in bogota.. maybe exports/imports of bogota should be explained. Don Quijote's Sancho 08:24, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Volunteer

If someone would like to please help me on searching, how TOURISM also contributes to Bogota you are more than invited to contribute!!-- Don Quijote's Sancho 07:58, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Sources

I need some sources for this information. I can't get to a good library right now, and the Bogata government website is in Spanish (obviously) which I am not too fluent in. --Kerowyn 05:42, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Things that every major city has

What is the point of talking about a city running a marathon, a rock concert, or having buses for transportation, or etc? Those are basic things that every major city on earth has or does. --tequendamia 02:41, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

--Yes, but as much of rural Colombia is currently a war-zone, and drug cartels dominate several of its major cities; I think the article attempts to make the point that life in Bogotá is relatively stable and normal. Maybe this should be more clear.

So I've done some copyediting and removed the Britannica template. Is there anything more that needs to be done to this page? --Kerowyn 6 July 2005 05:41 (UTC)

-- The article is way too subjective. The subjective statements need to be removed and replaced with objective ones. Also, the article looks too much like a travel brochure and does not have enough real information. Things such as demographics, crime, government, etc. should be included in the article. The article forfeits this important information and instead only shows some obscure and esoteric information.

Hi, Tequendamia. First: are you sure every major city has buses for transportation? I could well claim that every major city has a metro system for transportation but it happens not to be true in 7.8 million people Bogota. And what it is encyclopeduc relevant is not that this major city has a transportation system but how this transportation system works.
Does every major city has a regularly run marathon? Well, Bogotá does not... it has a half-marathon that is run every year close to the foundation date of the city. Does every major city have either a marathon or a half-marathon?
Does every major city has a regularly held rock festival open for free?
Much probably most major cities do have some festivals and events. What it is encyclopedic relevant is not that they exist but which ones exist.
— Carlos Th (talk) 12:20, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ask People from Bogotá to re-write this article Urgently!

Ok, first of all, I live in Bogotá and there is no such thing as miles of greenhouses in the city, greenhouses are not the ones who export flowers, there are cultivations outside of Bogotá and these are the major and most important exportants of Colombia.

Second: I think a foreigner should not write an article of Bogota, they would put in a lot of irrlevant things like the one of Greenhouses and they would put only negative things in(as we have been satanized by movies like Mr. and Ms. Smith, there is no such thing as narcotrafic inside the city and there is no war inside the city, it only happens outside(Medellín, Calí, etc.), there is robbery, homicides and child abuse(but we have reduced them and lately there has been a major improvement). We surely have Corrupt Politicians(which no one mentions, as they are scared) and constant changes made by The powerful and I think they should mention those cases.

We should resume the city in negative and positive aspects, not like a travel brochure or a foreign version. Colombians start writting... (I'm not nationalist or do I like Colombia but, we need a good article) --Vodka Martini, Shaken Not Stirred 23:39, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

What do you mean by foreigner? Someone who doesn't live in Bogota? or someone who isn't Colombian? Actually there is no need at all for people in Bogota or who know Bogota to be involved in the writing of this article, which is open to all editors, though be assured that there are many who do know the city who have contributed. Why not edit the piece yourself as you know Bogota and clearly in a good position to correct any mistakes. There is drug trafficking, child abuse, corruption, etc, in every major city of the world, SqueakBox 23:51, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Maybe your right...I lost my neutrality...I apologize.--Vodka Martini, Shaken Not Stirred 23:50, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


For the person who said people from Medellin needs to rewrite this what do you mean there is no war in Cali? i'm not from Bogota but i am Colombian and there is alot of guerilla and paramilitares near la modelo and picota prison in case you didnt know and by the way there is narcotrafics in Bogota but not as much as Cali and Medellin and also you said Bogota improved in reducing homicides ,robbery and child abuse I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT police over there are the worst of Colombia.

Usted siendo rolo y usted dice que la violencia esta fuera de Bogota y lo que mas me emputa ami es que usted dice que no hay guerra y narcotraficos yo siendo de Medellin y se mas de Bogota que usted

Elpaisa1

No hay "guerra" en Bogotá en cuanto a que la mayoría de las acciones de grupos ilegales adquieren allí un carácter delincuencial más ligado a la criminalidad común y a veces al narcotráfico que a cualquier otra cosa. Pero no es una ciudad bajo constante ataque o en medio de una confrontación urbana. El hecho de que haya guerrilleros y paramilitares tanto dentro como fuera de las cárceles no cambia eso.
Las estadísticas han mejorado mucho en años recientes y eso lo sostiene no sólo el gobierno sino las mismas alcaldías y otras entidades no gubernamentales. Bogotá es hoy menos violenta que otras ciudades del país. Decir que la policía de allí es la peor de Colombia es una opinión, no un hecho enciclopédico, por lo tanto es debatible.
En cualquier caso, cualquier persona puede contribuir y debatir el contenido del artículo, es cuestión de que se sigan las reglas de Wikipedia y se mantenga el respeto.
There is no "war" in Bogotá, in the sense that most of the actions of the illegal armed groups have acquired a criminal character that is closer to common criminality and sometimes to the drug trade than to anything else. But Bogotá is not a city under constant attack or in the middle of an urban confrontation. The fact that there are guerrillas and paramilitaries both outside and inside the jails hasn't changed that.
The statistics have certainly improved a lot in recent years and that's something argued not only by the central government but also by the different local administrations and other entities and NGOs. Today's Bogotá is less violent than other cities in the country. To say that the police there are the worst in Colombia is an opinion, not an encyclopedic fact, and thus it can be debated.
In any case, any person can contribute and debate the article's content, as long as the Wikipedia guidelines are followed and respect is maintained. Juancarlos2004 16:46, 5 December 2005 (UTC)


Por favor me puede explicar muy bien como no hay "guerra" en Bogota si alla tambien hay guerilla ,paramilitares y gangas y tambien hay guerra contra el gobierno (vos no ves las noticias?). Y verdad las estadísticas han mejorado cuando se le acabo el reinado del cartel de Medellin(the Medellin article also needs fixing like this one) y mataron Pablo Escobar (This one needs fixing badly) pero despues de eso las estadísticas no han vuelto a mejorar

Elpaisa1

Again, there is no "war" in the sense that Bogotá is not Sarajevo or a similar urban battlefied, not by a long shot. I will repeat mostly what I just said. Criminal gangs are just that, criminal gangs, the like of which exist in the rest of the world, so their existence is moot as far as the point being discussed goes. Once again, the paramilitaries and the guerrillas that may be present in Bogotá (and in most other cities and urban locations) act more like common criminals than like armed factions trying to take over the city per se, as would happen in a formal "war". There are exceptions, of course, but that's mostly the case.
I definitely watch the news, and I also live in Bogotá myself. Statistics have improved, not just locally but nationwide, even several years after Escobar's death, so I wouldn't say that's the main cause, not at all. There are plenty of sources that can show that's the case. Juancarlos2004 20:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Gangas? Qué son? What are they? Gangs? Not a term used in Central America and I am curious. Estoy curioso nada más, aquí en CentroAmerica se llaman mareros y maras a los gangs, SqueakBox 02:26, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

SqueakBox can you just say what country are you from?NOT ALL Central Americans use the same term or speak with the same accent.Hey I heard the gangas term in Panama - Elpaisa

I am living in Honduras where it is mareros who belong to maras, covered somewhat in Mara Salvatrucha, SqueakBox 03:19, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I believe "Gangas" is a mistranslation and/or mispluralization, not a proper Colombian term AFAIK. Juancarlos2004 20:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
lets please bring this debate back to english. i realize many of the people contributing to this article may be spanish speakers but perhaps many of the readers are not. i think its bad form if the talk page is in two languages. some of the comments where left in both languages, but others are only in spanish and i think this may leave some non-spanish speaking readers of the english wikipedia wondering what was said uri budnik 06:07, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Although I've posted the exact same content in English and in Spanish, I'll comply. Juancarlos2004 20:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

ok will translate everything i say WILL write in english and spanish by the way is good to debate in both laguages in THIS ARTICLE Elpaisa1

[edit] Bucaramanga the 4th city in Colombia?

I understand the 4th largest city in Colombia is actually Barranquilla... no is bogota

[edit] Where are the Photos?

There are many photographs of Bogota in Commons. I wonder why the photographs have been removed from this article? It used to have a lot.--tequendamia 03:51, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] INFOBOX

I like this infobox too but, unfortunately it was impossible to change the image size in the city seal (this template is mainly for the U.S. cities) difficult and confusing to apply it to the Colombian system. I think the cities of Colombia shouls keep a single format, standard that was already being established. Other Colombian cities share the same format Bogota had before; Riohacha, Valledupar, Cartagena (Colombia), Barranquilla, Santa Marta, Sincelejo, Monteria, Bucaramanga, Cali and Medellin. I was planning on changing Pasto and Cucuta next and later format Manizales. Maybe you can help me but, Please! before making such drastic changes announce it on the talk page first, so that other wikipedians can get the reasons for your "would like" changes.

I'll try to improve the previuos version.. -- Don Quijote's Sancho 08:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] what in the hell?

As you can see from the page there is a lot wrong here. all of the edit boxes are in one row. I attempted to remedy this but I guess my wiki formating skills are lacking. could someone who knows more please look and the page and figure out what is going on. thanks. --Tainter 15:49, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I've rearranged the photos, which seems to have helped significantly. Previously, all the photos were in a list at the top of the article, and Wikipedia pushed the [edit] boxes to below the images. Argyriou 23:57, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bogotano vs. Bogotan?

I've never heard the term Bogotan, but I see it used frequently throughout this article. Did I miss something, or can I switch that all to Bogotano(s)?

This is an article in English not in Spanish. Phonetically the most appropriate word in Englsh for someone from Bogota would be something like Bogotanian, not Bogotan nor Bogotano.--tequendamia 11:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree that it should not be Bogotan (as that would put the accent on the O and feel weird), but think we should talk about the use of Bogotano as legitimate in an English article. My view is that its an gentilicio without an English translation. There are several in spanish that remain the same in english (e.g. Angeleno in LA) and there are some in Spanish that I highly doubt would be translated (e.g. porteño) but rather used, defined, and italicized. Just because an article is in English should not mean that we make up words to make it sound more English. If we're going to use a non-English word, it might as well be one that is a real world in another language. Perhaps the best solution is to italicize it and define it on first use.
Obviously, where an English translation exists for the gentilicio exists (Colombiano -> Colombian, even Tico -> Costa Rican) it should be used. For those that don't I think there's a better solution than making up new English words. If this has been discussed elsewhere and a consensus has been reached, I'm sorry and please direct me there. Hwonder talk contribs 11:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Based on other demonyms (gentilics) in English, "Bogotan" is most correct for English, even if the accent ends up in the wrong place. If we are going to use the English demonym, it should be capitalized wherever it appears. Currently, capitalization in this article is inconsistent. Argyriou 00:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] University list

Do we need to include a long list of universities in this article? There are more than 100 universities in Bogotá alone. Don't think we should list them here.--tequendamia 00:44, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Demographics

This article needs demographic information. I find it surprising that there is no mention of crime, seeing as it is a city notorious for its kidnappings and murder rate. Drcwright 02:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crime

The article is missing a Crime section.--F3rn4nd0 19:21, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

The article written says there was a 48% decrease in Crime. However the numbers quoted don't match. 4,457 in 1994 and 1,607 in 2003. (4457-1607)/4457 = 64% decrease. I corrected this based on the numbers. Not sure if the numbers are verified though.--Mr. Camaro

There are more dangerous cities to name just a few. New York, Los Angeles, Detroit and Washington DC. What don't their articles have crime sections as well?--tequendamia 09:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I would hardly say that these cities are more dangerous than Bogotá. Besides, I don't why you are saying that their articles don't have Crime sections -- they all do. In fact, some even have main articles solely on their crime: Crime in Washington, D.C. and Crime in New York City. Drcwright 19:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
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