User talk:Bobbacon

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Contents 1 Aberdeen article related 1.1 Image:AberdeenBeach.jpg 1.2 Template:Religious places of worship in Aberdeen 1.3 Barn-coo 1.4 Unsubstantiated comment 1.5 Unspecified source for Image:Castlegate-16020-Lizzie.jpg 1.6 IPA Transcription 1.7 Assessment 2 Anti AmericaniZation user box 3 UK Infobox 4 Other 4.1 Cinema-stub 5 Aberdeen infobox 6 UK districts etc. 7 Deleted flag templates 8 UK infobox

[edit] Aberdeen article related

[edit] Image:AberdeenBeach.jpg

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Grand Edgemaster _Talk 18:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Religious places of worship in Aberdeen

I like the templates you have made, but I think this one is a bit too ambitious - there must be at least 100 churches and buildings of religious significance in Aberdeen. It would be hard to decide which ones to keep in a template, only those which were notable for whatever reason should be on the template. PMJ 17:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, its funny since i was thinking the same thing yesterday though couldn't decide- since you've brought it up also i have changed it. As for the other templates I have created: for the parks template I was thinking of taking out the parks that don't have links , since there are about 50 in the city.

I think i will leave the schools as the list is full and looks fine in its present state. Also since List of schools in Aberdeen has been changed so that it "meets wikipedia guidelines" and no longer is a complete list I think it would be useful to leave them in place. Let me know if you think any differently Bobbacon 18:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I would agree on the parks front, probably best to keep the city parks (i.e. the ones that the council run) plus the Links and Cruickshank. I think the school tempates are fine. I've had more thoughts about the churches template and I think it's probably not really needed since there is a category for Religion in Aberdeen and the template is now very small. I suppose, the Anglican and Catholic dioceses, the Presbytery of Aberdeen plus the Anglican and Catholic bishops and obviously the three cathedrals could be used if the templete were to become more of a "Religion in Aberdeen" template. What would probably be good for Aberdeen would be a generic Template:Aberdeen, in a similar ilk to Template:Glasgow, as the Aberdeen article is now quite long and should probably be split. PMJ 20:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I don't have time today, but tomorrow when I have the chance I will at least start Template:Aberdeen (unless you want to begin it first) and once complete I will put it into the main Aberdeen article replacing all the other templates. I will also take a look at the parks template. The religion template is quite small now to be justified as a template in its own right. I will take a look at the different sections of religion in Aberdeen that you have provided links for tomorrow and have a think as to what would be better. Bobbacon 20:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I have created Template:Aberdeen. As the religion is included in this, I think there is no longer a need for Template:Religious places of worship in Aberdeen so if there is agreement I will tag it for deletion. Otherwise I can change it to a Religion in Aberdeen, but I don't think this will be necessary until there are many more articles than the few currently covered churches. Bobbacon 11:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

That's what I meant! Nice one. PMJ 20:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barn-coo

:) thanks PMJ! hopefully we'll have a featured article soon, good work with all the referencing you've been doing... there is only so much I can bear to do myself! Bobbacon 18:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unsubstantiated comment

Just thought I'd let you know that I removed a statement regarding future population that is uncited. --Bill Reid | Talk 17:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'm not sure where it came from originally, but it definitely needs/needed a citation (I can't find find anything on Google). I will see what I can find about other demographics because having looked at the Dundee article today I've noticed it has details ranging from pregnancy rates to its placement on a run down areas of Scotland list. I found these interesting so I'm going to look through their references and see what I can find. Bobbacon 17:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

These projection figures need to be taken with a pinch of salt. One of the reasons that a downturn in population is projected is because analysts are predicting a major reduction in North Sea oil production by 2024. However, many oil related companies are increasing their presence in Aberdeen. Aberdeenshire's population is predicted to increase in the same timescale so it could be just a case of people predicted to move out of the city into the country. Regards, Bill Reid | Talk 13:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I think therefore it would be best to remove these (which I have done). The source is arguably a good one (the General Register for Scotland) but I agree with you- especially since I have been reading recently that a lot of companies are building research centres which have to potential to keep a lot more people in the city than projected as the oil begins to dwindle. Bobbacon 14:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unspecified source for Image:Castlegate-16020-Lizzie.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Castlegate-16020-Lizzie.jpg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, then you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, then their copyright should also be acknowledged.

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Its a Geograph image, tagged it wrong by accident... oops! Bobbacon 14:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IPA Transcription

Hi, you asked me to include the IPA for "Aberdeen" into the article. Theoretically I'd be able to do that, the problem is just that I'm not a native speaker of English, let alone Scots. :D So, though I *think* I pronounce the name about right, I'm not sure if I say it really correctly. You might want to try find someone who speaks Scots and knows about IPA. :) — N-true 15:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

What do you need done? Do you need it in an Aberdonian/Scottish accent? Doric? Generic English?

I'm going to say, for the moment, something along the lines of /abɚdin/ (SAMPA: /ab@`din/), but don't take that as set in stone or anything. In an English accent, for example, it would be /æbədiːn/ (SAMPA: /{b@di:n/), or thereabouts.

Does that help?

also, bear in mind that I'm not guaranteed to receive replies, but I do check it sometimes. --Finlay (talk) 14:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

any time. I can't say, however, that I actually know the difference between Doric and Aberdonian, except that it's between the "English" language and the "Scots" language. But I've never lived in Aberdeen; I'm from Edinburgh and I'm currently living in England. But enjoy the transcription all the same :-D. --Finlay (talk) 17:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment

Thanks for your note. Will do when I get a mo.

I have noticed your contributions, and they are very welcome.

How good is your French? Are you just being modest with that Babel "2", or are you really a "3"? I ask because although my French comprehension is excellent, I turn into a gibbering prat when I start to write in it nowadays - really embarassingly poor :( We really need some help over at fr:Wiki to translate some key Scotland-related en: content, and to improve existing content (some of which is downright scandalously poor - wouldn't last 5 minutes on en:Wiki). Please tell me your written French is exemplary ;) -- Mais oui! 09:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Bob, if that is indeed your name, you are a star! I will have a wee ponder and get back to you.

My gf is Swedish, which is very useful for lots of things, but piss-poor when it comes to copyediting French language texts!!  ;) -- Mais oui! 09:46, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anti AmericaniZation user box

Very amusing! I'm not sure that Cagulus is advocating the use of american english though, perhaps some obscure celtic dialect! I think he is joking anyway. I recently contributed to a discussion about this issue on the Mary Wollstonecraft talk page. User Awadewit, whose efforts resulted in the promotion of the article to FA status, seems to be having a hard time accepting the consensus that biographies conform to the spelling of the subject's nationality. She believes that as she wrote the article it should stay in the american style, despite the guidelines being stated in order of importance; nationality taking precedence over the language of the original contributer. I do think that it is important that these guidelines are adhered to, especially for high profile featured articles. I know american editors would not tolerate 'corrections' to the spelling of american biographies. I think that Awadewit is being disrespectful to our culture and language by trying to impose her view and as an academic she ought to know better. Perhaps you might like to visit the talk page and put in your two pennies worth. Regards,Natalie West 15:32, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Glad you like it! Having read the page I can see that this woman is not going to give in lightly. Since I would have no chance 'academically' against her I think I will call my friend who does English literature at university to see what they think... should I consider to delve in! Bobbacon 15:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I plan on using it on my page. Just to let you know you have an American supporter. I certainly don't mind other uses of English! I also do not (usually) find it difficult to detect other English spellings of words (i.e. vandalize, vandalise). Cool template! Chupper 16:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

User Category for Discussion Category:User en-any

I'm going to be using this template too - thanks! I actually amended the wording on Calgacus template to be less inflammatory as per wiki guidelines that anyone can edit anyone else's userpage. Will see what he says! - PocklingtonDan (talk) 08:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UK Infobox

I see that you are editing the new UK Infobox this morning. Could you let people know of this, and what edits you are doing on the relevant talk page please? It might have been an idea to forewarn people of your edits, as the history of this template means that people might revert them as being "undiscussed".  DDStretch  (talk) 12:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Someone else has now reverted all your edits because it apparently broke the infobox, bringing about reversions of changeovers by other users. I think that is why it would have been a good thing to inform people beforehand of what you wanted to achieve here to help prevent this.  DDStretch  (talk) 12:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

someone has helped me and fixed it now (rather than just complaining and reverting) from now on I will discuss all changes. Bobbacon 12:46, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I would have helped you if I could, since the changes you made seem to be useful for the Scottish WikiProject, but I just don't have that expertise. Hence my suggestion of asking on the talk page, which might well have yielded assiatance beforehand. I'm glad you've now been able to sort it out.  DDStretch  (talk) 12:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, I have checked the infobox and my changes (now fixed) work with the templates so I shall leave them as they are not affecting other pages. I am going to add the other migration changes on the talk page that will make it totally compatible with Scotland place. Bobbacon 12:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

If you mean the distances stuff. I think that's an interesting development. May be other people, not in Scotland, would find that a useful optional extra?  DDStretch  (talk) 12:56, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Quite probably. It used extensively in infoboxes for other countries. I researched other infoboxes for the Scotland infobox. The other two that cropped up a lot were the regional Vehicle Licensing codes and Population densities. In the US infoboxes, Elevation appears a lot, but I can't find data readily for in the UK so didn't include in the Scotland one. Bobbacon 12:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other

[edit] Cinema-stub

Hi - a stub template or category which you created has been nominated for deletion or renaming at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The stub type, which was not proposed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, does not meet the standard requirements for a stub type, either through being incorrectly named, ambiguously scoped, or through failure to meet standards relating to the current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at Wikipedia:Stub. Please feel free to make any comments at WP:SFD regarding this stub type, and in future, please consider proposing new stub types first! Grutness...wha? 02:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

now deleted Bobbacon 22:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aberdeen infobox

The Aberdeen infobox is outstanding!!! Just how an infobox should look if you ask me!... some of the features appear to be Scotland specific. Are there options for population density and vehicle codes for our Anglo-Welsh-Ulster cousins in their infoboxes? It would be nice. Jhamez84 18:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UK districts etc.

I intend to start work in template space as soon as the current discussions are over (so as not to muddy the already murky waters!). I'm genuinely surprised and made a little sad by some of the things that are coming out at the moment, I didn't have any idea there was such UK resentment or that it could manifest itself in the way it has done. For any animosity that has been displayed, I am certain none is reciprocated. MRSC • Talk 09:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Aside from resentment issues, the UK infobox has been one of the best collaborative projects I've been involved in. As you say, the way it had developed has been incredible and from a good range of editors. Its a shame that such an open and exciting process has been derided as if it were clandestine and divisive. Oh well, the truth will out. :) MRSC • Talk 09:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted flag templates

Hello, I have deleted three templates you created solely to support your user page. This is not an appropriate use of the template namespace. You can certainly use the inline image syntax on your user page to render those flags at 22x20 pixel size, but please refrain from adding templates that will not be used in any mainspace articles. Thanks, Andrwsc 16:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

The template namespace is not intended to be a place to "give them a chance" to be used. Templates are intended to replace multiple occurances of similar wikicode on multiple pages to improve maintainability. I took a look at each of the flag images first to see how often they were rendered in the main article space:

• Image:Béarn flag.svg — no usage in any namespace
• Image:Ibiza flag.png — four instances in main namespace, only one of which was icon size
• Image:Flag of Mallorca.svg — two instances in main namespace, neither of which is icon size

As you can see, there is no compelling reason to clutter the template namespace if there are no instances where they will be used. Andrwsc 14:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UK infobox

You might want to take forward the issue of localised lists of places for Scottish council areas. On the whole, the articles do not exist yet. MRSC • Talk 15:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)