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Should his quotes be given a WikiQuote page? There certainly are many of them, and we've only scratched the surface here. --Chancemichaels 16:47, 7 April 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels
- Might be a good idea to transfer them to WikiQuote. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 03:29, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Birthplace
Banwo recently changed Uecker's birthplace from Milwaukee to Chicago. Are there any sources for that? Everywhere I look (World Almanac, NNDB, IMDB, The Baseball Cube) says Milwaukee. --BaronLarf 14:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah agree, i have never seen a source that says otherwise. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 19:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Okay, Banwo and Wahkeenah have said that he was born in Illinois; Banwoo said that he said it was on the Tonight Show, which aired on May 5, according to TV.com, and Wahkeenah said it was in his HOF speech. I have no transcript from the Tonight Show speech, but the HOF speech which you can find here does say he was born in Illinois — while his parents were on an Oleo run, and that he was 10 ounces and that a baseball scout was there and said he had a chance to play. I mean, can we believe this, or was the Illinois thing just a setup for a joke? I mean, the baseball almanac, which hosts his HOF speech, still has his birthplace listed as Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I don't have any transcript for the Tonight Show, but I would imagine that he said it in the same joking way. Should we believe his jokes or all the reference books?--BaronLarf 17:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- That's why I qualified my comments. Uecker has made so many jokes about his life and career that it's a little hard to separate truth from fiction (although it's statistically verifiable that he was a lousy hitter by major league standards, maybe even worse than Dal Maxvill, though not quite in Casey Wise territory). However, although the stuff about the "Nativity scene" is obviously a joke, he didn't have to have been in Illinois for it work. Someone needs to get hold of a copy of Catcher in the Wry and see if he said anything about it there and whether it has the ring of truth. Wahkeenah 19:39, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- The Oleo run to Illinois was indeed a Wisconsin tradition; back then, it was illegal to buy or sell butter substitutes in Wisconsin, due to the influence of the dairy industry. So this joke would ring true to people from those days, and does depend on Illinois for it to be told. And I'm sure that Catcher in the Wry is probably told in a joking fashion, too. I suppose it may depend on getting a birth certificate to settle it. Cheers --BaronLarf 20:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Ironically, Oleo is now eschewed as bad for one's health. To bad the state didn't think of that argument when it passed its protectionistic law. However, it was cheaper, and that was why people bought it. Of course, governments don't engage in protectionism nowadays. Yeh, right. Well, good luck finding Ueck's birth certificate. Wahkeenah 21:07, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah but the quotes says Illinois, not chicago, says they were on the way back from chicago, so he could have just as easily been born in Evanston, so i dont tthink we should say he was born in chicago, it does not match the quote. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 21:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- That's why the article only says "Illinois". It could be further elaborated upon, upon further evidence (if any). Wahkeenah 21:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well at the time it stll stated chigago. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 21:49, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- OK, I found my copy of Catcher in the Wry, which was published in 1982. He tells the same story. However, the appendix, with his career records, says he was born in Milwaukee. I think the Illinois story is one of his jokes. It reminds me of the joke that Dizzy Dean supposedly pulled. Three different reporters interviewed him one day, each of them asked where he was born, and he gave each of them a different answer. When questioned about, he said, "I wanted to give each of them fellows an exclusive story!" I think we should change the article back to Milwaukee and footnote it with his "alternate version". Wahkeenah 01:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah agree, not saying that the story is not true, i mean back then he could have been born in Il and not had the birth registered untill they got back to Wisconsin or something. But i would guess that if it were so the case, even with the Ucker, that you would think he would have had the information corrected on the stats or something. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 03:04, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- This whole story is kind of intriguing. Not intriguing on the level of the Watergate conspiracy, more like on the level of "boxers or briefs". I wonder how or if one could obtain his birth record? Wahkeenah 03:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- Doubt it he is still alive, belive you would need his permission. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 03:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- He might well be more likely to give some nosy questioner a straight answer to the question "boxers or briefs" than to change his birth story. Hopefully the article is worded to most everyone's optimal satisfaction at this point. Wahkeenah 03:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah agree, not saying that the story is not true, i mean back then he could have been born in Il and not had the birth registered untill they got back to Wisconsin or something. But i would guess that if it were so the case, even with the Ucker, that you would think he would have had the information corrected on the stats or something. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 03:04, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- OK, I found my copy of Catcher in the Wry, which was published in 1982. He tells the same story. However, the appendix, with his career records, says he was born in Milwaukee. I think the Illinois story is one of his jokes. It reminds me of the joke that Dizzy Dean supposedly pulled. Three different reporters interviewed him one day, each of them asked where he was born, and he gave each of them a different answer. When questioned about, he said, "I wanted to give each of them fellows an exclusive story!" I think we should change the article back to Milwaukee and footnote it with his "alternate version". Wahkeenah 01:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well at the time it stll stated chigago. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 21:49, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- That's why the article only says "Illinois". It could be further elaborated upon, upon further evidence (if any). Wahkeenah 21:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- The Oleo run to Illinois was indeed a Wisconsin tradition; back then, it was illegal to buy or sell butter substitutes in Wisconsin, due to the influence of the dairy industry. So this joke would ring true to people from those days, and does depend on Illinois for it to be told. And I'm sure that Catcher in the Wry is probably told in a joking fashion, too. I suppose it may depend on getting a birth certificate to settle it. Cheers --BaronLarf 20:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- That's why I qualified my comments. Uecker has made so many jokes about his life and career that it's a little hard to separate truth from fiction (although it's statistically verifiable that he was a lousy hitter by major league standards, maybe even worse than Dal Maxvill, though not quite in Casey Wise territory). However, although the stuff about the "Nativity scene" is obviously a joke, he didn't have to have been in Illinois for it work. Someone needs to get hold of a copy of Catcher in the Wry and see if he said anything about it there and whether it has the ring of truth. Wahkeenah 19:39, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Okay, Banwo and Wahkeenah have said that he was born in Illinois; Banwoo said that he said it was on the Tonight Show, which aired on May 5, according to TV.com, and Wahkeenah said it was in his HOF speech. I have no transcript from the Tonight Show speech, but the HOF speech which you can find here does say he was born in Illinois — while his parents were on an Oleo run, and that he was 10 ounces and that a baseball scout was there and said he had a chance to play. I mean, can we believe this, or was the Illinois thing just a setup for a joke? I mean, the baseball almanac, which hosts his HOF speech, still has his birthplace listed as Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I don't have any transcript for the Tonight Show, but I would imagine that he said it in the same joking way. Should we believe his jokes or all the reference books?--BaronLarf 17:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
