Talk:Bluebeard
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" a cautionary tale against the dangers of curiosity and feminine disobedience" I'm surprised some self-important interfering coxcomb hasn't challenged this innocuously interpretive statement as "POV". Look at the "rewrites" at Rapunzel! --Wetman 05:30, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Gilles de Rais and the Marquis de Laval
I believe that Gilles de Rais and the Marquis de Laval were actually the same person. They're both from the same place and the same time, and the father of Gilles de Rais had "Laval" as part of his title. I could, however, be completely wrong — feel free to revert me if this is the case. -- Vardion 06:39, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Distracting blank spaces
Formatting that encases the framed table of contents in text, in just the way a framed map or image is enclosed within the text, is now available: {{TOCleft}} in the HTML does the job.
Blank space opposite the ToC, besides being unsightly and distracting, suggests that there is a major break in the continuity of the text, which may not be the case. Blanks in page layout are voids and they have meanings to the experienced reader. The space betweeen paragraphs marks a brief pause between separate blocks of thought. A deeper space, in a well-printed text, signifies a more complete shift in thought: note the spaces that separate sub-headings in Wikipedia articles.
A handful of thoughtless and aggressive Wikipedians revert the "TOCleft" format at will. A particularly aggressive de-formatter is User:Ed g2s
The reader may want to compare versions at the Page history. --Wetman 19:54, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Too trivial?
- Bluebeard is an important character in the Fables comic book series. He is portrayed as ostensibly reformed, having had to leave his homeland for our world to escape a conqueror; however, he is still much like his old self beneath his urbane appearance, and uses his wealth to manipulate his fellow "Fables." Is this too trivial, or does it enrich and deepen everyone's undersytanding of Bluebeard? Isn't every familiar name of any figure of culture or mythology used as a comicbook something-or-other? Does Spider-Man provide a suitable paragraph at Arachnid? --Wetman 23:44, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
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- There does seem to be a strange interest in sticking in the Fables comic book series everywhere. I don't think it adds.Goldfritha 00:45, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
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- I think it makes sense to include a mention of this representation of the character; as he is apparently a key figure in the series, the Fables depiction counts as a modern interpretation of the Bluebeard legend. How is the representation in the Fables comic book series any less relevant than those included in the ballets or operas? You could just as easily say "every familiar name of any figure of culture or mythology" has been used in literature or painting or dance or music, etc. I think it's less the relevance of the particular representation that troubles you, and more the medium itself. --Awakeandalive1, 6 June 2006
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- Knowing a little about Richard Wagner's Ring Cycle makes What's Opera, Doc? (1957) more enjoyable. The relevance doesn't operate the other way. The Bluebeard story makes the Fable depiction comprehensible. The relevance doesn't operate the other way. Everyone understands this. --Wetman 06:36, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Neil Gaiman
Is the story mentioned actually based on Bluebeard? It sounds much more like The Robber Bridegroom to me. Goldfritha 00:45, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Found a version of "Mr Fox" and relocated the story to Robber Bridegroom, where it fits better. (Provided a link to the story there.) Goldfritha 00:32, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Shakespeare
Can someone add a little more context to the Shakespeare quote? It's not clear to me how it's referring to a Bluebeard-like story. 70.91.217.210 17:56, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- Humm.
- Actually, if you go to The Robber Bridegroom (fairy tale) , and look at the link to the "Mr Fox" story, you will find that exact quote. So I would say that it is an allusion to that fairy tale -- and should be moved. Goldfritha 23:04, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
- Moved! Goldfritha 19:16, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Perrault
Did Perrault come up with the story, or just write down an oral tradition? If so, I don't think the article should say he "wrote" it. Tim Long 23:32, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Former text in this article was clearer on Perrault's sources, I seem to remember. It's been eliminated. Do you have issues with Shakespeare too, then? With him using Hollinshead's Chronicle, Ovid, etc? Why would you not think Perrault wrote it, if you're reading it? Perhaps you've never actually seen the text of "Bluebeard" and doubt that it exists. --Wetman 01:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- The sensible former version of this article, with information that has been deleted, can be inspected here. --Wetman 02:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Blue?
Anyone ever give a reason why his beard was "blue", either though cause or by inference (EG. Did the blue stand for something, like evil) ? 68.39.174.238 20:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
