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Contents 1 Material moved from Talk:Blue Ball 2 Treatment for women with pelvic congestion? 3 Social aspects 4 Copied from Blue Ball 5 Medical term 6 Factual edits I just made 7 This is not a medical term! 8 Requested move 8.1 Survey 8.2 Discussion 9 this page has a problem, i can`t edit all of it 10 Never Had Blue Balls

[edit] Material moved from Talk:Blue Ball

(Two items, dated

01:00, 2004 Mar 12 (UTC) and

02:30, 2004 Mar 13 (UTC);

copied by Jerzy(t) 21:28, 2004 Mar 16 (UTC))

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Source material for improving this article will be found in

LCCN: 76007000 //r85
ISBN: 0818402229 :
Author: Ellis, Albert.
Title: Sex and the liberated man / Albert Ellis.
Edition: 1st ed.
Publisher: L. Stuart,
Date: c1976.
Description: 347 p. ; 24 cm.
Notes: Published in 1963 under title: Sex and the single man.
Notes: Includes index.
Notes: Bibliography: p. 309-336.
Subject: Single men.
Subject: Sex instruction for men.
Subject: Rational-emotive psychotherapy.

The author, an MD (his specialization is psychiatry), specifically discusses the condition in the 1963 edition (emphasis added above) from a medical point of view (and as a rational reason for intercourse!); presumably the 1976 one will also suffice.
--Jerzy(t) 01:00, 2004 Mar 12 (UTC)

Someone asked for a technical term. The symptom is orchalgia or orchidalgia, per Dorland's 27th edn, p. 1187. --Jerzy(t) 02:30, 2004 Mar 13 (UTC)

[edit] Treatment for women with pelvic congestion?

The gals need help too! Where is this part of the article?

[edit] Social aspects

I feel that this page needs a section on the social implications of blue balls. However, 1) I don't feel entirely qualified to write about it and 2) I've already been accused of being overly politically correct this week on the pump so I'm not being bold, and I figured I'd discuss it first. Something about blue balls being a common tactic (at one time, less so now) for adolescent men to pressure young women into sex, or as an excuse for sexual assault. And make it clear that the thing to do about them is to masturbate, not blame the person you're with for not taking care of your erection for you. moink 18:00, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

that is a good idea, I thought it was fake and used SOLEY as a trick...Oreo man 02:01, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

In fact, my health teacher actually told our class that blue balls didn't exist. Imagine my surprise later in life when I expereinced it for the first time :-(. (DonGaspar 01:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Copied from Blue Ball

(The issues of this language are unrelated to disambiguation, but should be consistent with the article Blue balls.)

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The following appears on Blue Ball but is more efficient to discuss here:

"Blue balls" is a modern slang term for a minor cramping men may get in the groin after they are sexually stimulated for a prolonged period but do not ejaculate.

--Jerzy(t) 21:28, 2004 Mar 16 (UTC)

Dorland's Illustrated Medical Dictionary conforms to common sense usage in saying a cramp is "a painful spasmodic muscular contraction", and the groin does have muscles. But blue balls is not a cramp, but an ache in the testicles (whose musculature is insignificant at most). Ellis emphasizes "congestion", which i take to imply that the pain reflects failure to release the eleveated local blood pressure resulting from failure to relieve the engorgement of the genitals that is crucial to erection, i.e., a condition related to the "pain and tenderness" of priapism. (It may be informative to consult side-effects information of Viagra and its competitors, some of which are effective for 3 days and advise medical care for erections lasting over 4 hours.) --Jerzy(t) 21:28, 2004 Mar 16 (UTC)

Further, the term ejaculate, like the earlier "release semen" (that a well-intentioned editor used to replace simply "release"), misleadingly suggests that fluid pressure of seminal fluid is at issue; i think research will show that there is no significant seminal pressure except that imposed in pulses by the prostate during ejaculation. The real issue is indeed plain "release", or rather release of either sympathetic or parasympathetic (never could remember which is which) nervous-system excitation, which in turn entails destimulation of sphincter-like structures that sustain the engorgement (and that ED-medications work by affecting). --Jerzy(t) 21:28, 2004 Mar 16 (UTC)

OK, i scanned the article; probably all i need to have said is "the dab should be brought in line with the article". --Jerzy(t) 21:33, 2004 Mar 16 (UTC)

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[edit] Medical term

Something I've long wondered: is there a more technical, medical name that answers to the colloquial and maybe even vulgar "blue balls"? Judging by the external links, it doesn't seem that there is. --Iustinus 21:25, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

someone has suggested moving the page to prostatic congestion. You can discuss the move on Wikipedia:requested moves. delldot | talk 05:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Moved. —Nightstallion (?) 11:54, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

But women don't have a prostate. What is the equivalent term for us?--Sonjaaa 05:18, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I moved it back. Prostatic congestion (Prostatosis) is not the same as this condition, it is just one symptom of blue balls. Case in point: There are other causes for prostatic congestion, such as cancer, Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia, birth defects, smoking, sitting for extended periods, prostatitis, cysts, and age-realted enlargement of the prostate. [. Davodd 08:07, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The most general term I've seen, which applies to either gender, is pelvic congestion, so I added a sentence about it and created a redirect page from that term. We could also work it the other way around by making the article more general, renaming it "pelvic congestion," and making "blue balls" redirect to it. I have no strong feelings about either option--Officiallyover 10:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I like "pelvic congestion" more as the actual article name with "blue balls" going here as it covers both genders better. That would require some article work than a simple name change though to generalize it a bit more. I think it would come across as more professional though compared to documenting a slang term, albeit widely used. -- Northgrove 12:15, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Factual edits I just made

I changed the word "disrupted" because it sounded like it meant something abnormal was happening. I changed the language about lymphatic fluid because I can't regard lymph as flowing to the end tissues. There could be increased production or pooling of lymph at the tissues due to a greater perfusion pressure, so that's what I described. Finally, cold water does not stimulate blood flow "throughout the body," and it does not sound like it would stimulate blood flow to the scrotum. Cold generally decreases blood flow to the skin, hence your skin turns paler in the cold and you lose less heat through it. Experiments have shown this decreased blood flow directly. [1] [2] If it worked the other way around, your skin would radiate heat even faster as it got colder. Penis_size#Flaccid_Length says that "one general physiological response to cold is decreased circulation of blood to the appendages. As the size of the penis very much relies on blood supply, this results in a decreased flaccid size." Finally, pseudoephedrine causes constriction of peripheral arterioles too, so if it does treat blue balls, this fits with the idea that cold causes the same constriction. I kept both possible mechanisms of action of the cold shower for now, however, and I wrote this long-winded justification because if I had changed the explanation to merely "decreased blood flow" then one of our references—which looks otherwise very well written—would contradict our article. --Officiallyover 11:15, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This is not a medical term!

The medical tone of this article is preposterous. "Blue balls" is of course a slang term, but there is no corresponding legitimate medical equivalent term because there is no such medical condition. It's just a slang way to say you haven't come in a while. I would delete the bulk of this article but I know someone will just revert it.

Did you even read the fucking article? It clearly defines the medical causes of this condition.

PS: "pelvic congestion"

Two things I don't like about the "blue balls excuse" part:

1.) Telling the person who's turning you on that you have blueballs doesn't necessarily mean you are pressuring them to have sex or get you off (though I'm sure that does happen sometimes, unfortunately). Often, it's merely to explain why you are groaning and limping after an intense make-out session. there's nothing shameful about being honest with your partner.

2.) Who says blueballs can only be used to pressure WOMEN into having sex? I'm sure gay men might use blueballs as an excuse to pressure their partners into having sex, especially if their partners can sympathize with the condition. that doesn't make coersion right, but I'm sure it's not limited to just guys tricking girls

AFAIK, one of the issues is historically at least it wasn't something that women (or girls more likely) knew much about or could find out much about. There is this perception at least that girls/women were led to believe that blue balls was something that could only be 'cured' by sex when in fact it will go away by itself and masturbation would work just as well. On the other hand, we can expect most gay guys would be less likely to be taken in by these claims. And as I've stated, the perception is this is primarily an excused used by teens, not e.g. by 30 year olds. And even today (and especially in the yesteryears) it's probably fair to say that many gay teens are still struggling with their sexuality and so are less likely to be having sex with guys or at least less likely to be dating guys. Of course, I'm sure blue balls can and has been attempted on men as well I'm just pointing out the fact the current gay population is only by most estimates 20% at most and the fact that it seems most likely to be a less useful excuse on other gays and the fact as I've said it's more likely to be something used by younger people all adds up to mean it probably was and is significantly less commonly used by gay men/boys. Of course, we should still be neutral and talk about partners rather then women. P.S. I am a guy. And also quite tired so forgive me for rambling. P.P.S. I forgot to mention that gay men tend to be more promiscious or less restrictive with sex also means there is probably less need for the excuse Nil Einne 23:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] this page has a problem, i can`t edit all of it

there are some informations noone wants to know, fix it if you can, now (5) minutes later they just disappeared, i`m fearful of a new sort of wiki vandalism, better check that, sometimes the site has some info on someones penis on it, and no, i´m not on drugs —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.47.191.232 (talk • contribs).

The history shows that this page has been vandalised a few times today, all of which was reverted very quickly

• vandalised 01:32 reverted 01:33
• vandalised 06:30 reverted 06:31
• vandalised 18:04-18:12
• vandalised 18:25-18:26 both vandals reverted 18:26

However, there were no edits to the article at all around the time you posted here (21:08 and 21:12). The most probable cause is that you saw a cached version of the page that contained vandalism, and after you clicked back from thsi talk page to the article your cache updated to the version where the vandalism had already been removed. Thryduulf 22:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to say that this is a terrible page and there should be serious consideration for its removal. The "source" from an MD that was sites is a TERRIBLE study. This is an isolated case with large study conducted. It is speculation of one person based on no facts and should NOT be considered a credible source.

[edit] Never Had Blue Balls

I have never had anything close to this condition, sounds like poor circulation. What percentage of the male population gets this condition? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.110.221.182 (talk) 07:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

At the risk of venturing into original research, have you been in the situation that would produce this condition? My experience is that it takes most of 24 hours of fairly constant stimulation to produce it in me, which hasn't happened all that often (thankfully). I'm sure it varies from man to man, so maybe you just take longer than most. In this liberated age, I'd guess it would be rare (but obviously not unknown) for men to be in a situation where they developed this condition... hence comments such as yours and others who don't believe it exists. My suspicion is that most men could suffer from it given the right circumstances.

But there's little information I've seen about it, and a lot of misinformation. See http://alderspace.pbwiki.com/blue%20balls for one (other) attempt at providing some accurate info. Andrewa 08:52, 26 February 2007 (UTC)