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[edit] Sources

Hello, I was going through some articles you have created and I was wondering what was your source for family relations? Some information there is widely inaccurate and some is a mix of Palemonids legends and real facts, I cannot find some dates anywhere else. In short, it would be most useful to know where you obtained all that information. Thanks, Renata 14:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

What dates exactly?--Bloomfield 14:21, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Cant' remember anything specific on top of my head. But dates are secondary issue, I can usually verify them in some history book. Family ties are far more important because only rarely do historians "bother" mentioning anything about family relations. For example, where did you get that Butigeidis' father was Traidenis? Renata 14:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

All right: "Families of the Nobility of the Russian Empire. Second Volume. Princes", St. Petersburg, 1995, ISBN 5-86153-004-1, ISBN 5-86153-012-2 (T. 2), pg. 26.--Bloomfield 15:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Is that the primary source you used for all family relations? Say, Algirdas and Gediminas, too? Is this book good at separating rumors and false 16th-17th century geneologies from facts know from 13th-15th century chronicles? Because, say, everything about Treniota's family is comming from much later and very unreliable sources like Bychowiec Chronicle. Renata 15:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Scientific editor: S. V. Dumin, Kand. Hist., Moscow Society of History and Genealogy, chairman

Scientific adviser: V. V. Lapin, Kand. Hist., Russian State Historical Archives, director

Reviwer: M. F. Florinsky, Doc. Hist., St. Petersburg University, prof.

Is it enough?--Bloomfield 15:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

No, not really. Titles often prove to be useless. What's far more important is what those people think and write. See, there is nothing really known about Traidenis and where he came from, or who were Butigeidis and Butvydas (brothers, but from where?). There are tons of discussions who was Gediminas (who were his parents and brothers), and I have read some long articles on him alone. And in the articles their family ties are presented as concrete facts. Plus it mixes in a bunch of Palemonids and their legends. I am not saying that Palemonids should not be presented on Wikipedia, I am saying that they should be clearly indicated as such. See, for example, what I did with Erdvilas. Also, I am not questioning your good intentions (after so many edits it would be very foolish to), I am questioning the reliability of the source: does it separate Palemonids from real historical figures? Renata 16:09, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

All right. You asked about Budzikid and Troyden. I answered. About Palemon (Palemonids) I didn't read from this book, but from the Ruthenian chronicles in library, I haven't these books in home. But I didn't say Palemon wasn't legendary person. Maybe he was, maybe not.--Bloomfield 16:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

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Second thing. Why you, lithuanians always write: "Gediminas", or "Algirdas". Olgierd didn,t know his name is "Algirdas". He wasn't never heard a name like that. He thought his name was Olgierd. Giedymin and Olgierd didn't spoke Lithuanian language like you do. They weren't Lithuanians, they were Litvins or Ruthenians or Old Belarusians if you like. They spoke Ruthenian language. So why all these Lithuanian names??? This lithuanization is not nice.--Bloomfield 16:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Sockpuppetism

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