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	To-do list for Blog:	edit  · history  · watch  · refresh
Source as much as possible Remove unnecessary information from article Add more images Mention RSS feeds in the list of common features of blogs and add a see also to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSS_%28file_format%29 Mention additional and more recent sources especially including the special issue of Reconstruction on blogs and Blogademia: http://reconstruction.eserver.org/064/saper.shtml (with permission) and the responses are also woth citing here -- as the issue and these responses discuss the future of blogging as a genre of scholarship http://alexreid.typepad.com/digital_digs/new_media_rhetoric/index.html http://www.constant.irisnet.be/~constant/kris_search/?cat=1 (SamECircle 05:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC))
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Contents 1 Microsoft Controversy -- appropriate here? 2 Why does it have to be in reverse? 3 Proposed Change to Page 4 Blogswarm 5 See also addition 6 Captain's Quarters 7 Trimmed See Also Section 8 Early history 9 The "Legal Issues" Section 10 India 11 Blogs can be many things 12 Blogging attracts abuse.

[edit] Microsoft Controversy -- appropriate here?

While I'm as bothered as anyone by the Microsoft blogging controversy, I was surprised to find it in this article. Why does this belong in an encyclopedia article about blogs? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.103.203.4 (talk) 21:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

Agreed. No need to list every single controversy or argument that involves bloggers in the main Blog article. Why is this one in particular mentioned while excluding all the others? Kevinharder 03:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

It's also pointless becasue there isn't really an issue. It states that laptops were given to bloggers, and if they were journalists, it would have been illegal. It's just an irrelevant fact, and way too undetailed in the first place. Slayer425 16:32, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why does it have to be in reverse?

If someone creates a blog or journal that is not diaplayed in reverse-chronological order, why is that not considered a blog? Is there any source that says this must be true?

Furthermore - how is it possible to display entries in reverse-chronological order? That would mean one has to write the last entry first, and the first entry last. From what I have seen, blog entries made in 2007, appear in 2007. Entries made in 2008 don't appear until 2008. As the 2007 entry existed before the 2008 entry, the 2007 entry is displayed first. How do you display an entry that doesn't even exist yet?

Another conundrum - some blogs allow you to customize the display order. If I go to a blog that displays its index in descending chronological order, and change the preference to display in ascending chronological order - does it suddenly cease to be a blog?

I would say it does not. What is important about a blog is that it is "serial" and thus is a series of postings in a chronological order. Placing the newest at the top is simply a reading preference; many people read blogs in RSS readers in forward chronological order. What differentiated blogs from more ordinary browsed web sites was their serial nature, I would recommend this simpler definition.--Bradtem 03:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Change to Page

This was discussed up at the top of the page on the subject of the 'Types of Links' section, but I'm fairly certain that the article can't be complete without a mention of the importance of the group blog in the development of the blogosphere - so much so that I created a page for Collaborative Blog.

As mentioned in the article, 7 of the top 10 blogs on NZ Bear's Ecosystem are group blogs. Additionally, it would be churlish not to mention such mega-group blogs such as DailyKos somewhere in the article.

So, even if it's only in the 'See Also' section I'd appreciate it if someone with editing permission could include it.

p.s. Please feel free to visit the collaborative blog page and add any information you feel is relevant. I've been out of the game for a couple of years now, so my recent knowledge will undoubtedly be a little rusty.

Sortap 16:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)Sortap

[edit] Blogswarm

The topic 'blogswarm' redirects to this page, yet there is no information about that phenomenon in this article. I believe the topic needs its own article, including some of the more famous blogswarms over the years. Without objection, I'll create that page, removing the redirect. Arjunasbow 00:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] See also addition

I think that Bebo should be added too the See Also section as this is a quickly developing social network site.

Local teenagers in my area (New Zealand) seem to currently prefer Bebo to the other social networking pages like MySpace.

Nightkhaos 11:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Captain's Quarters

I think there should be a mention about Captain's Quarters. The influence it had, at least for a moment, and the legal issues that arose at the time of its involvement in the Adscam are of special interest. Or so at least when compared to other examples given in the article... --Childhood's End 20:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trimmed See Also Section

I removed a ton of links they I believed were not core to blogging. For example I removed all the social networking links, but left a link to a list of social networking sites. Let us know if you disagree with a removal. Daniel.Cardenas 16:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Early history

I added a note about some early history of blogs (from personal experience, but with cites of course) which may nonetheless open some questions, so I thought I would add some background reasoning here.

When Tim Berners-Lee defined the web, he designed it to include many of the media that had come before, and to this day URLs include means to access ftp servers, gopher servers, telnet sessions, sending E-mail and both USENET newsgroups and individual USENET articles. I know from both his writings and personal conversations that he considered these things to be part of the web, though they were not done in hypertext with HTML and HTTP. Thus the web log as a concept (if not the name) will predate what many people other than Berners-Lee think of as the period of the web. USENET and E-mail mailing lists were the primary forms of serial publishing on the pre-HTTP web (another key characteristic of a blog is that it's serial.) E-mail writing was part of the web, reading E-mail never became part of it until web-based E-mail readers appeared. As such, I believe the earliest blogs are found among moderated newsgroups. Most moderated newsgroups did not have the third component a blog needs (a personal editorial voice) but some did, and the earliest of these was mod.ber, so I have added a small section on it. You can still read mod.ber's archives with the link I provide. At some point there should be an article about it and Brian Redmond. I know him but only distantly, so I have not yet prepared one.--Bradtem 03:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

You might be wandering into the realm of original research. A key difference is that newsgroups until relatively recently (I'm thinking of deja.net which became Google Groups) did not have "persistence" in the way that blogs have archives. Plus they have a highly specialized client (the newsreader), while Web clients were always intended to be jacks-of-all-trades to begin with. --Coolcaesar 03:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

While my expertise in the area does indeed come from having participated, the fundamental details are of course cited from other sources to avoid the problem of being original research. There are a number of blogs that don't persist, so I have not considered that part of the definition of a blog, and in any event, USENET was archived, and that's why you can read the archives of mod.ber today - I linked to them. Deja News did not build the archives, those were done by others are used much later by Deja (and Google which bought it) --Bradtem 23:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The "Legal Issues" Section

This section seems to be getting a little long and unfocused. Some reorganization seems to be in order. Perhaps break into a couple/few sections? Some of the entries refer more to inadvertent (negative?) consequences to blogging, rather than legal issues per se. The Ellen Simonetti entry has focussed on employee v. employer rights and responsibilities in blogging; perhaps that issue could be a separate section. Another could be something like "blogging and defamation legalities", etc. Perhaps a section, or even a new wikipedia entry, listing famous examples of blogging and consequences. Bdushaw 00:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Anyone have any examples of men who were fired for blogging about their employer and/or personal lives? Bdushaw 01:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] India

Remember the time when blogs were banned in India, Pakistan ? Does that need to be mentioned 122.162.58.39 09:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blogs can be many things

Somebody seems to have changed a line near the beginning of the page where it explains what blogs are. They removed the text that said that a blog can also be an online diary/journal, presumably because the person makes a distinction between online journals and blogs. However, the blogging community would seem to disagree since so many blogs *are* personal diaries. I'm not a registered user at the moment, but perhaps somebody could revert that statement? To say that blogs cannot be personal diaries is disingenuous at best. 24.96.212.167 13:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

As I write this the opening line of the article says "A blog is a user-generated website where entries are made in journal style and displayed in a reverse chronological order." which covers personal diaries and journals. Did you have a more specific change in mind? Gwernol 13:11, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

This line, "Blogs provide commentary or news on a particular subject, such as food, politics, or local news." was originally "Blogs often provide commentary or news on a particular subject, such as food, politics, or local news; some function as more personal online diaries." It was changed this morning. That's the change I was looking to be reverted. 24.96.212.167 13:39, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Ahh, looks like it was reverted by Rador. So hopefully it stays that way. :) 24.96.212.167 14:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blogging attracts abuse.

Today in the LA Times:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-internet31mar31,0,4064392.story?coll=la-home-headlines

The unfortunate fear factor - a successful blogger may attract kooks, or at least those that would use fear to stifle the bloggers dialog. This would seem to be a product of the anonymity element of the blogging process. 24.41.39.124 07:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)