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[edit] Best-Selling Games?

Not every one of Blizzard's games since Warcraft have been best-sellers. This seems like an assumption or generalization, which isn't appropriate for an encyclopedic article. I'm just going to delete that section since it doesn't have any sitation anyway.MirageOfMadness 21:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

  Which one was not? Diablo followed by Starcraft, Warcraft II and III, all have been MASSIVE successes.

[edit] Warden Client

Wow, that is some incredible Warden propaganda. I wouldn't be at all amazed if that section was written entirely by a Blizzard employee.

Actually, I just came across this page today and I have to say there's a bit too much irrational anti-Blizzard material. It says that Warden has "run afoul" of privacy advocates, but no advocate (let alone a credible one) is cited. It then goes into something about instant messenger IDs, email addresses, etc., all without citing evidence, saying Warden is like spyware. I'll not get into a debate about it here, but suffice it to say the concerns of certain players who may or may not simply have been overreacting does not a "controversy" make. I say cite some credible sources or, if that's not possible, properly further downplay such allegations. - Glynth 09:30, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
we dare not touch your beloved addiction, wow. who cares what precedents blizz set in ip situations, just so long as you get your fucking fix right? i dont even play the damn game, and i see the reality of these actions by the unscrupulous company, and their far reaching consequences. but you dont care now do you? as long as you can play wow, youll put up with anything. there is a very real issue here with the warden software, just download a program called the governor and it will show you what this program is doing. but be careful, blizzard has banned people who have used this software to spy on their spying. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.43.215.81 (talk) 10:40, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Justice League Task Force

Going by the information on Wikipedia, it seems this game was made by Condor BEFORE they were acquired by Blizzard, and thus it is not a Blizzard Entertainment game and does not belong on the page. I question a couple other titles on that list too Deusfaux 23:49, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Its own category? Hmm.

Er, does this article really warrant its own separate category? I mean, it's not exactly IBM, is it? (wrt industry significance¹, longevity, no. of products, etc etc). So, if nobody voices serious protests I will list Category:Blizzard Entertainment for deletion. The accompanying articles won't be any problem to find from the main article (this one) anyway. --Wernher 18:39, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

( ¹ not that I think computer game companies are insignificant as such; far from it! )

I'd tend to agree. But your comment was made last year. What happened to the deletion? — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:26, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

Blizzard is one of the biggest and most famous game companies. If you delete this, then you have to delete all others as well. I say nope. Btw, anyone can conform or deny the 'Diablo 3 cancelled when Blizzard North was closed' rumor? ~~BrotherLaz, 19:29, August 15, 2005 (GMT)

Agree with BrotherLaz, Blizzard is a well known gaming company within most gaming communities. captbananas 19:33, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

The opening statement in this article is just plain bad, "consistently and grotesquely overshooting release dates"? That's not true. Afaik, Starcraft and Diablo 2 and Starcraft Ghost were the only games to be pushed back consistently. "Blizzard has a track record for producing almost nothing but classic games that are played for years to come." sounds very subjective, almost like it was written by a copywriter. Mastgrr 22:28, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

If you think that it is POV, by all means edit it. However, from a personal standpoint, I agree with the statement. I own all of Blizzard's PC games, and they are ALL still installed on my computer and used on a more regular basis than many of my other programs. The games themselves have a depth to them that is simply not often found within other games, IMHO. captbananas 19:33, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I rewrote that part to make it more of an encyclopedic language. bob rulz 07:12, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blizzard Bought North?

The information that Blizzard bought Condor and renamed it Blizzard North isn't quite accurate. Blizzard was purchased, as the article notes, by Davidson, and then Davidson also purchased Condor, at Blizzard's urging.

[edit] info on WoW expansion?

it was announced at blizzcon... --Gflores 07:47, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

It was, and we have an article about it also at World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade. Havok (T/C) 14:35, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Blizzard Entertainment

does any one know the exact location of where blizzard entertainment is?

Blizzard Entertainment is located in Irvine, California. captbananas 19:33, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unfinished game

Just a quick point, the list is missing at least one game, shattered something, never got finished.

I can't provide any authoratative source for this, but I remember a Blizzard employee saying in a forum post once long ago that the game you're thinking of, "Shattered Nations", became Starcraft. 199.246.40.54 16:50, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I just got Warcraft 2 in a garage sale it had a trailer and info and pictures we should have an article on it.

[edit] Freecraft

"On June 20, 2003, Blizzard obtained a cease and desist order against an open source clone of the Warcraft engine called FreeCraft."

Does this mean that FreeCraft sent a cease and desist TO Blizzard? The wording makes it seem as if Blizzard ripped off the FreeCraft source, yet it seems clear from the rest of the section that FreeCraft stole from Blizzard. ApocalypseCow 02:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

No, this is a misreading on your part, ApocalypseCow. Blizzard obtained the order from a judge. The order is clearly AGAINST FREECRAFT. This is the standard wording. -- DestroyAllFrameworks

[edit] New Subtitle

Stevie G 16:50, 26 January 2006 (UTC) I'm proposing that we add a subtitle related to hacking and 3rd party topics. The following subtitles should be rolled into this new subtitle since they are all related to one another by this common theme:

  • Bnetd
  • FreeCraft
  • Warden Client

Any ideas on names for this new subtitle? How about "Hacks and Clones"

[edit] Super Firewall

I've heard that the Blizzard Server is impossible to hack. Is this a myth? If not how is it possible? Symmetric Chaos 14:27, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How Much Is Blizzard Worth?

It's a huge corporation and only from WOW they gained many many millions of dollars.. How come it doesnt say on wikipedia article anything about the company worth?

[edit] They were bought for 10 million $ in 1994??

On Wikipedia article it is stated: "In 1994, the company briefly changed its name to Chaos Studios, before finally settling on Blizzard Entertainment after it was discovered that another company with the Chaos name already existed. That same year, they were acquired by distributor Davidson & Associates for under $10 million." Isn't 10 million exaggerated for 1994?

[edit] Diablo: Hellfire

I don't think that Diablo: Hellfire is "co-created by Sierra Studios." It should have been correct to say that Hellfire was "created by Sierra Studios." Diablo: Hellfire should not have been deserved to be included in the Titles section since this game was not made and even recognized by Blizzard Entertainment. --Darth Narutorious 13:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Delays

Should it be mentioned that they almost always delay the release dates of their games? anyone have any statistics on this? Chud50 04:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Explanation of deletion

The section which listed a ton of former employees of Blizzard Entertainment was really unreadable nonsense. I see no editorial point to it at all. Wikipedia is not a data dump. An encyclopedia article should be the essentialized summary of what is known.--Jimbo Wales 19:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree that it was unreadable, but nonsense.. not really. Blizzard Entertainment is one of the worlds most well known computer companies, and as such, stating employes that helped make it become what it was is somewhat important, atleast in my eyes. I will revert your edit, but attach a cleanup tag to it. I will also look into making it more readable and less in the form of a "data dump". I hope this is ok with you? Havok (T/C/c) 00:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
No, it is absolutely not ok. It is in fact unreadable nonsense. There is no editorial point to this at all. It does not belong in an encyclopedia. It is original research. It is boring. Leave it out completely, please. --Jimbo Wales 16:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I re-wrote the section, made it more compact and concentrated on the companies (not people) which have been started by people leaving Blizzard Entertainment. Is it better now? Havok (T/C/c) 23:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Cleanup tagging is useless. If someone actually cares about the content, they can rewrite and reinsert it. Until then, making the article look like crap doesn't help. Fredrik Johansson 14:26, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Not sure if this is still in debate but the section looks good now regarding the companies that have spawned from Blizzard, its one of the things they are known for industry wide. --NuclearZer0 20:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I think an agreement was met. Well, seeing as I have gotten no ill response from Jimbo or anyone else on those edits, I take it as an ok. Havok (T/C/c) 07:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I had overlooked this. I think it is still very badly written and essentially unacceptable. Let's talk about it here more first, before we change anything. The point is, it is just a random list of information. If it is actually true that "its one of the things they are known for industry wide" then show me a source for that. And let's talk about that in the article. Just randomly and inexplicably listing where people have gone seems pointless to me.
Let me be a bit more clear on my concern here. In this industry, and indeed across the entire technology industry, employees... particularly talented ones... come and go a lot, sometimes in entire teams. This is completely unremarkable for almost every company in the entire technology field. I believe that it is equally unremarkable for blizzard. How many companies have been spawned from: Microsoft, Google, Intuit, Yahoo, Intel, etc., etc.? The story is the same everywhere. I think this entire section should be removed from the article unless and until we have a reliable source (Businessweek? Fortune? Wall Street Journal?) which reports on it being particularly notable how this company has been a spawning ground for this segment of the industry.--Jimbo Wales 19:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

It's basically just a list of the employees and their titles--often then with a bunch of web links. It doesn't say anything interesting about them and some were interesting people. Anomo 20:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blood elves

Oops on the comment for last edit, it was not vandalism simply a mistake -- the Blood Elves are the new Horde race... --Bookgrrl holler/looksee 03:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

The previous edit ("One person even claimed that their father...") seemed vandalism to me. Didn't you see that, or did you find it good?--Supparluca 08:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Key People

If you're going to include the producers/designers of WoW, shouldn't the producers/designers for Diablo, Diablo II, Starcraft/BW, Warcraft II, Warcraft III, ETC be included? Or, rather, shouldn't the producers/designers of one specific game be deleted from the "key people" section representing the entire company? Mattomynameo 05:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you.--Supparluca 09:57, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pax Imperia 2

On my old WarCraft II: Tides of Darkness CD from back in 1995 (I believe), there's a demo video for Diablo, Shattered Nations and Pax Imperia 2, with the tagline "The Galactic Empire Simulator". I assume that this game was never released by Blizzard, so it should probably be added to the list of games that were never completed. I leave that task up to you guys (I figured I should post about it here rather than adding it immediately, and once you read this, I've probably already forgotten about it) --Ojan 01:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

It looks like it actually was released, they just dropped the number and added a subtitle. Although acording to IGN it looks like it was developed by Heliotrope and published by THQ. Maybe they just had a deal with Blizzard to distribte the demo? -- Fforde 07:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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