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Contents 1 I have to agree 2 Tip for RfA report 3 personal attacks 4 Just a heads-up (now lay back down) 5 User talk:Gwen Gale 6 My RfA 7 Apologies 8 Hthc 9 Oh, I get it! 10 Afternoon tea... 11 Featured Wikimood suggestion 12 Iritating. 13 Le Pen Image Error. 14 Thanks 15 Good edit 16 User:Tad102 17 Minor Template:vww Note 18 Cueing Mortal Kombat theme . . .

I have to agree

Per username choice and editing issues...I have to agree with your rationale here! I saw his odd edit to the talkpage of another newbie(?) in the form of a welcome message at the bottom (easter egging Democracy to Dictatorship, etc.) as another clue. Thanks for protecting wittle ole me.--MONGO 11:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

You don't say, I didn't see that. I guess I never properly appreciated the hate-mongering potential of easter eggs before. Bishonen | talk 11:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

About a year and a half ago, I made a joke about someone being really silly...or something like that. Best wishes!--MONGO 12:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

If the traditional easter egg is deprecated, how about a life-size chocolate Christ on the cross? My Sweet Lord! -- ALoan (Talk) 12:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

...sans loincloth... The Rambling Man 12:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, it is being displayed in Nieuw Amsterdam, I understand... Hare hare. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Tip for RfA report

If you want to override the formatting on the rfa report box you can do something like this:

{| align=left !important;
|{{Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard/RfA Report}}
|}
<div style="clear:left;"></div>
 

That is what I am doing User:HighInBC#Current_RfAs. ^High_InBC^{(Need help? Ask me)} 16:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Uh, ok, thanks, I'll keep that in mind. Or keep it in my icebox, rather, in case of future requirements. It happened to be formatted for sitting just where I like it right now, in the whitespace to the right of the TOC. Bishonen | talk 17:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

personal attacks

Here is the "in a nutshell" summing up of the policy on no personal attacks.

This page in a nutshell: Comment on content, not on the contributor.

How can a section called "Davkal" posibly be anything other than a forum for discussing me rather than content I have added. It is not even called "Davkal's recent edits" or "davkal's POV" but simply "Davkal". That is, we are now going to comment on the the subject "Davkal", ie. a contributor. And this is clear breach of the policy on personal attacks. Please refraion from such attacks. Davkal 11:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

• Ah, alack, alack! Betimes an account is editing destructively or tendentiously and administrators have to soothe, counsel, or intervene with such an account holder. Therefore, a discussion of a person's online habitus is necessary from time to time, and if the goal is to best and most peacefully manage rather than "attack," there is the fulfilling of policy mandate. Geogre 12:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

• I'm not sure I get it entirely, but this is obviously an April Fool's joke, right? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

• I would say that is either a joke, or a major misunderstanding of the NPA policy, that is not even uncivil, much less a personal attack. ^High_InBC^{(Need help? Ask me)} 15:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Just a heads-up (now lay back down)

Hi. Just want to mention that your deletion of the RfC on me is referenced at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Another weird one User:Anynobody using Editor Review as a back-door User RfC on me. I am really sorry to be back over there but I do not think that I should leave this latest bit of weirdness unaddressed. Again, this is just so you know; you can fluff up your pillows and have another sip of juice. Later. --Justanother 14:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I have commented. Geogre, Brad, this might interest you too. Bishonen | talk 15:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC).

Thanks, one can hope this is the end of it. It all started with what I now see as a troll on where he tried to engage me on my talk page over Hubbard's military career, something I have very little interest in. User talk:Justanother/Archive7#"Lessons" response to Anynobody (moved from article talk). He got zero traction there and had to bow out but had more luck engaging me at Barbara Schwarz as that article has little place here and is a blatant example typical example (there are blatant examples, she is simply typical) of what these soapboxers do (whoops, there's mine) and also coming to my talk page to engage me and really get me going, User talk:Justanother/Archive4#What are you saying, exactly?. In the end, just a troll. Anywho, thanks. --Justanother 17:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC) (add 17:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC))

User talk:Gwen Gale

Bishonen, small request of you. User:Ryulong seems to have inadvertently semi-protected User:Gwen Gale's talk page. He protected it for 3 hours but that was at 10:57 and it's now 15:06 and still protected... can you look into this? Thanks. (→Netscott) 15:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, it looks unprotected now. Bishonen | talk 15:51, 1 April 2007 (UTC).

She's sent me e-mail saying she can't edit it. (→Netscott) 16:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Could be a browser issue, esp. if she uses Internet Exploder. They often stop really trying once they get a result 3 times. She should hard refresh, close the browser and come back, etc. If she's got an AOL rolling IP, of course, all bets are off. Geogre 18:03, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for your support in my recent successful RfA. --Anthony.bradbury 17:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Apologies

You are right and I am squirming with embarrassment: my only explanation is that is was St. Patrick's Day and I was with some rowdy friends who have been following the various WikiDramas and I made the stupid mistake of allowing them access to my password after imbibing in Murphy’s Irish Stout. Although I did not personally type those words, it was still my fault in having very poor judgment of who I should give personal and privileged information; must always be careful who you choose to trust. I apologize; mea culpa, etc.GrownUpAndWise 04:33, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hthc

I was about to put the Uw-test2 template on Hthc's talk page. If someone puts vandalism like that and it is a first offence, what template do you put on? I have just started with Lupin's vandalism tool, as i do not have enough edits for VandalProof Themcman1 16:32, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

They blanked substantial parts of two articles—most of Gay, in fact. It's a first offence, well, that's true, but it's also pretty much the first thing they do at all. The account has only seven edits altogether. That makes a difference, and I definitely wouldn't go with simply {{Uw-test}}. I guess the person lives in Truro... lol. Your notion of test 2 sounds all right to me. I think I may have gone a little overboard with the {{blatantvandal}}. That's assuming that the Truro edits are good, and not sneaky vandalism. It's hard to tell, all the way from here. Bishonen | talk 16:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

Why do the vandals attack the article on the author of Trivia (poem) and The Beggar's Opera? He was a man much more sinned against than sinning -- gentle, erudite, clever, and the most done-by man in the epoch (excepting the really famous cases like Christopher Smart and, one supposes, Richard Savage). Geogre 01:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I get it!

That thing Geogre said, "Willy hears you. Willy don't care." That's from Grade School Confidential, an episode of The Simpsons. Edna and Skinner proclaim their love over a loudspeaker, and Willy, the only one around, responds with the line. I.e. "I've got work to do." Took a while. Utgard Loki 16:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Afternoon tea...

... was it? May I be so bold as to make a request for Earl Grey, hot - Lady Grey, if you have it. -- ALoan (Talk) 18:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

ALoan is the beau in the blue coat, friends. But is Bishonen the beauty in red, or the motherly body on the right bringing in the tray? You be the judge, and remember, this is a Japanese tea ceremony. Bishzilla will be along to stomp on it shortly. ALoan, look, "Beau" is a specialist twelve-string guitar player, do something! Bishonen | talk 19:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC).

My dear Bishonen. <bows deeply> Would you like me to play something suitable on my biwa? -- ALoan (Talk) 19:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Given the number of people here already, perhaps the Frühstück sur l'herbe should become a Fête champêtre? -- ALoan (Talk) 19:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's me in the corner. Geogre 10:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Behind the screen? Most wise. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Another pop culture reference? I think Geogre is taking a cue from our new overlords and deciding to become an expert in culture of the last ten minutes (or years). Utgard Loki 12:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I liked the video's story better than Stipe's. I've never been a good juggler. Geogre 12:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

We have new overlords? Again? Well, at least we'll know what's in the sandwiches. I too have bowed to the demand for pop culture items: Call-girl Sally stabs top toff in London nightspot! Yomangani^talk 14:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Cool! Now, just change her name to Paris or Courtney and her residence to Laguna Beach, and you'll have a featured article! You'll need to write to her publicist for a more revealing photo, though, as that one seems to be in black and white. (Since the parasites have drained the blood from every academic article, the only ones to go by are the ones they don't look at, which are the popular meme anime flash sprite fad starlet ones.) Utgard Loki 14:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and you place writers might note the charming warning about Cremorne Gardens, London. Utgard Loki 14:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm almost lost for words. I've removed it, but I've been inspired I've come up with my own template which I shall add at the top of all articles mentioning elephants (...or any that look like they might do in the future...or link to articles that mention elephants): Yomangani^talk 15:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Great tag. Now we need one for camels. Is it dromedary or Asian? "This article mentions arid regions and does not specify which type of camel goes there." Geogre 10:25, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention rhinoceroses - black? white? Indian? Javan? -- ALoan (Talk) 11:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

• I double dog dare you to apply that to an already-draped bio article (i.e. one that They have already tagged for facts, references, coordinates, tone, voice, theme, imagery, etc.). So there! Geogre 11:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I am four days too late, really. The trick would be finding somewhere appropriate. Perhaps Jack Sheppard - This article is about a person who was executed, but does not state what they ate for their last meal.? (We know he drank some sack along the way, but did he have some pork scratchings too?) -- ALoan (Talk) 12:21, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Those things have been appearing like wildfire over the wiki. Easier to tag that an article "needs" coordinates than actually add them, of course. The appearance of motion without any movement.

In other news, apparently I need to discuss removing an unsourced claim that a school is "one of the finest and most prestigious educational institutions in the world" and was founded by a "renowned" Canadian educator (who has no article).[2] (Which also deletes my formatting improvements, to boot.) -- ALoan (Talk) 18:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Featured Wikimood suggestion

How about Levée? [signed: no]

Needs more head adjustors. El_C 19:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Mind the deportment there, El C. Good idea, The Land, very fetching. I had a more obvious option in mind for the next salon mood, I confess. Bishonen | talk 19:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC).

Levée and levity - I have always wondered about that smartly dressed thin chap with crossed legs and ?curlers in his hair, sipping his ?tea... Anyway, I shall be Silvertongue - would you care to attend the masquerade, m'dear? Some more madeira? -- ALoan (Talk) 19:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Him? That's one of our youngest admins. I think those are dreadlocks, and the Duchess is going to pitch into his lap if he's not careful. Bishonen | talk 19:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

He might like that, although he may lean the other way, hmm. The plump ?Italian chap on the left looks like he is catching flies... -- ALoan (Talk) 19:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I guess you didn't finish the Uglow bio ALoan, she tells you all about the thin chap: A fop in curl-papers points his toe and sips his chocolate, an exaggeratedly over-perfect illustration from Lairesse, who specified that it was correct to hold things lightly and "in appropriate instances to extend one's little finger elegantly". The plump Italian chap is a castrato, so perhap caught something in his flies earlier. Apparently the Countess B has been identified as Mrs Lane-Fox. Have I outed your true identity, Bishonen? Yomangani^talk 23:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I didn't finish the bio..? Anything you say. And you tell me, don't most admins wear curl-papers and rouge ? Bishonen | talk 00:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

I've cleverly retrofitted my statement with an ALoan (they are useful for many things). I have no need for curl papers as I never go out without my periwig. It gives me a judicial look when I block new users for arguing with me. Yomangani^talk 00:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Iritating.

I manage to miss putting quotes around one word, and I get jumped on? Cheers, Ben Aveling 19:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Miss putting quotes? You said focussing on irritating users was a beneficial action. I don't see how quotes would have helped. What you said was nothing like what you say now. Bishonen | talk 20:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

Ah, I see what you mean. Bish, I changed a sentance that was talking about problem users in an attempt to make clear that it was not just problem users that were being targeted. By leaving in place too much of the old sentance, the result was not what it was supposed to be. Well, oops. You saw the rest of the changes that I made in the same edit. You know I was around when it all happened, and that I put an oar in. Did you really think that I would have suddenly changed my mind and decided that the targetting that happened was beneficial? Regards, Ben Aveling 08:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

You seem to have a beef with me, Ben, but I don't quite understand what it is. If your edit didn't say what you meant it to, don't you think it benefited from my rewrite? But I was mainly focused on adding stuff, that the text (not yours, but the original text) swept under the carpet IMO. For instance I figured it was wrong to mention the kickban powers of the ops without mentioning that they had been abused. (I still don't see much point in mentioning them at all—the whole thing is rather too detailed IMO—but if they're in there, it shouldn't be in an uncritical way.) Heck, I'd been around rather more closely than you, you know? I'd been kickbanned for nothing, mobbed, I'd had the "pleasure" of hearing my absent friends trashed as bad users and as a net minus for the wiki. (By the chanops themselves.) No, I didn't think you suddenly changed your mind, but I couldn't tell you'd written the opposite of what you meant, either——I'm sorrry, but that sort of thing is hard to know, and generally clear only to the writer. I never expected you to resent having me input more accurate information and/or fixing up your sentence that (as I now realize) said the opposite of what you meant. I still don't understand it. Would you agree my edit was an improvement? Did you notice Tony Sidaway immediately reverted my version back to yours, and does that suggest anything to you? What is the problem? Please be more explicit. Was my edit summary tactless ("jumped on" you?) If so, I'm sorry, it wasn't meant to be. I just wanted to explain my changes. Bishonen | talk 12:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

The page is vastly improved. I was actually a bit hesitant to edit it in the first place, because I didn't know if I would be opening a can of worms. But I didn't want to leave it as it was either. The problem I had with your edit summary, which you did direct at me ("Ben, ...") was that it seemed to stop just short of accusing me of lying ("truth trumps NPOV..."). Now when some random troll accuses me of something, that's all so much water off a duck's back. But when someone I respect has a go at me, well, it hurt. Anyway, shit happens. Apology offered, apology accepted. Let's move on. ObOffTopic: Have been reading "White Death", Robert Edward's book on the Russian/Finish war; very interesting. Cheers, Ben Aveling 17:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Le Pen Image Error.

. Bish; this is doctored. Can we get it deleted? Bo-Lingua 05:28, 5 April 2007 (UTC) (see my comments and crosslink on the talk page.)

Clearly doctors have been involved in fitting him with the eye patch. (Is the image in use anywhere? I like to nuke things, but if someone is using it as a userpage joke, it might be protected as parody.) Geogre 11:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

It's a good fake if it is one: it looks dodgy but the pixels match up very nicely if you zoom in on it. Le Pen claimed that he had lost his left eye when he was savagely beaten during the 1958 election campaign. Testimonies suggest however that he was only wounded in the right eye and did not lose it. He lost sight in his left eye years later, due to an illness. Yomangani^talk 11:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Yet in the pictures of him on the french wiki, his eyes seem just fine. If it's correct and not doctored-up, that's just fine. It just looked QUITE dodgy to me, and since there _is_ a campaign on and he _is_ a major candidate, I thought we should be careful, after all. Bo-Lingua 22:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

It's a lovely little armoire for my archives. Thanks for that. Geogre 11:35, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Heh, glad you like it. I found it on the web and uploaded it to Commons especially for you! Feel free to exchange it for the chest of drawers here on my page, or any image you like: if you take a look at the new code that has appeared on your page, you'll see exactly where the image goes. The box will adjust itself automagically to any image, so there's no fiddling. Why not try it out with the photo of scary gun-wielding geogre guarding his valuable records? Bishonen | talk 13:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

Is there any image of a gun-wielding Geogre that isn't scary? Utgard Loki 16:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Good edit

I like it. ElinorD (talk) 00:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, icecream lady! Now we'll have to see if other people think it's enough to say it once. Would you like be the young lady in the liseuse in the wikimood picture? Bishonen | talk 00:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

I like it too, more readable, I re-added a little bit of info that got left out though. ^High_InBC^{(Need help? Ask me)} 00:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Excellent edit. KillerChihuahua^?!? 00:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Tad102

thanks for filling me in on that one Bishonen. What intrigues me is how on earth did you come across the message that I left at User talk:Tad102? If anything that shows some pretty dedicated "user contributions" sleuthing there!

Do you know Tad102? Having a look at his log and edits worries me a bit - he might be harming the project unintetionally. First was the unecessary blanking of Wikipedia when he really should have just removed the vandalism. But also there is a whole series of "Fair use" images and screen captures that he has uploaded [3]. These appear to have almost universally attracted criticism for unjustified Fair Use criteria but this fact didn't seem to stop him. In fact, he appears to get quite angry when anyone does anything he doesn't like (such as the message you linked to me) and also here.

If you do know this guy, could you go through some of the relevant policies and norms of behaviour with him - starting with WP:CIVIL? Thanks. Witty lama 00:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Är du svensk? Om ja, var bor du - jag är i Lund... Witty lama

Svarat på din sida. Bishonen | talk 01:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC).

But your english is very good - even for a swede. My guess is that you weren't raised in Sweden, am I correct? As for the followup edit to wikipedia, I don't think that had anything to do with any vandalism, it was just the removal of that, admittedly, rather strange box at the top of the article. By the way, could you go and block this guy: User:DAGAME01? His edits have been consistent vandalism to Wrestling pages with a general theme of adding false info about John Cena into articles [4]. Thanks. I would do it myself, but not being an admin makes that kind of hard :-P

don't worry about the blocking - User:Alphachimp beat me to it! Witty lama

Minor Template:vww Note

Minor reminder: You might want to have a look at Wikipedia:Avoid the word "vandal" for linking into Template:vww. ^Thanks, _{Luc "Somethingorother" French} 02:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Cueing Mortal Kombat theme . . .