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Bismillah Khan was the Indian collaboration of the week for the week starting on 21 August 2006.

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[edit] Photograph

Here is a picture I found through google: http://www.hindisong.com/MusicHappening/MusicHappening.asp?ContentID=850 http://www.abhivyakti-hindi.org/snibandh/sakshatkar/bismillah_khan.htm

Both pages claim it to be Copyrighted (see below the pages). My guess is that they are referring to the text. Can we use the picture then?--Anupamsr 16:54, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

No. That is not a good idea. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 16:56, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I have got the permission to use this image here: [1] from [2] from the website manager. I am in the process of asking for the license of the image. After that I will upload the image.--Anupamsr 11:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
That is good. Do have a look at Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission, especially the when permission is confirmed section of the page. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 11:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Here is the reply I got, don't know if it is a set back or not...
Dear Anupam,

Below is the note from our editor:

"We do not hold the copyright for that image.  We simply use these in
our articles under the "fair use" guidelines.  Our articles are meant
to educate and we make them available free to all.  Furthermore, in
the instance of pictures of Indian musicians, the original
photographers name is seldom recorded, even in books where they are
reproduced."

You can make your decision accordingly.

Best,

Anita



On 8/17/06, Anupam Srivastava <anupam.srivastava@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Anita!
>
> Thanks for your kind help. I will surely give the credit to your site.
> But to upload a file, I need to know the license of the image. Please
> help me here by telling me the license of the image file. Wikipedia is
> strict about the use of un-licensed file.
>
> As it appears from your request to use the image and and maintain your
> authorship properly, I personally think that one of the Creative Commons
> License is what it is in. But please clarify.
>
> Anupam
>
> PS: You can chose one of the Creative Commons License through this site:
> http://creativecommons.org/license/
> Hope I am of any help :)
>
> Anita Thakur wrote:
> > Dear Anupam,
> >
> > Sure you can go ahead. Please do cite sawf.org link with the picture.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Anita Thakur
> > Managing Editor
> > http://www.sawf.org
> > http://www.sawfnews.com
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Anupam Srivastava [mailto:anupam.srivastava@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 12:51 PM
> >> To: anitathakur@charter.net
> >> Subject: Hi!
> >>
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >> I am an editor of Wikipedia.org, the free wikipedia. I am in need to
> >> good photographs of Bharat Ratna Ustad Bismillah Khan.
> >>"
> >> Through google search I stumbled upon this site of yours:
> >> http://www.sawf.org/newedit/edit07222002/musicarts.asp
> >> This site contains a picture of Bismillah Khan in his home in Varanasi.
> >>
> >> I would like to use the aforementioned picture in the article of
> >> Bismillah Khan. Kindly grant me the permission to use it.
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anupamsr
> >>
> >> --
> >> Anupam
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> -- 
> Anupam
>

So? What should we do? :-) PS: Please forgive my poor english.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anupamsr (talk • contribs).

Unfortunately, this means we cannot use the image. We have to presume that it is copyrighted but in order to use a copyrighted image on the Wikipedia, we need to identify the copyright holder and justify the fair-use. As we cannot identify the copyright holder here, we have no choice but to refrain from using the image. Sorry. Copyrighted images are a real pain. --Yamla 13:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Never mind. I scanned and uploaded one. -- Mayuresh 09:21, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Ustad is dead

I felt very sad by seeing the news. I had just put the current INCOTW tag on the main page and then saw the news. We owe it to the maestro. Please make this article a GA if not FA. I will chip in on Saturday and Sunday. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 07:35, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I have started some work and whipped the article into a basic form (See my Tasks section on this page). Any help/ criticism would be helpful -- Mayuresh 09:20, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tasks

(Feel free to add/edit, people!)

  • Add Main Photo
  • Additional Photos (Concert, Young Bismillah, Family Picture?)
  • Infobox of some kind?
  • Categorise Information
    • Background
    • Career
    • Awards and Recog.
      • Need to put years against his awards
    • Passing away
  • External Links
  • Add/Remove Categories
  • Add more details on
    • His allegation that he was denied the opportunity to play at India Gate because he was a Muslim
    • Last few years in poverty
    • His troubles with the govt. of India
  • Create Wiki Quotes page. --> Done. See here.
    • Attach to article.
  • About his music
    • What Gharana?
    • Discography
    • Have there been any biographies or books written about him

[edit] Rest in peace Khansaheb

It is indeed a sad day for people across the world. What a wonderful man! what a life! Rama's arrow 19:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copy of text book

Most of the article still looks like from the copy of text book. See http://www.ncert.nic.in/textbooks/IX/step_to_eng_TextBook/Chapter%2013.pdf Chirag 21:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for this text (ermm .. PDF). It has some good stuff on the Shehnai as well. As for this article being a copy of the PDF, i would like to take it as a compliment. Given the fact that i am seeing this PDF for the first time and i was one of the people who helped cleanup the article. I find it quite flaterring that we were able to do a decent job :) -- Mayuresh 07:48, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry for the two reverts

Sorry for the two reverts. I am still trying to get a hang of this popups-based reverting thing. -- Mayuresh 07:43, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shehnai in Swades

Here are the links which support my earlier edits that the Ustad played Shehnai for the song "Ye Jo Des Hai Tera" of Swades:

http://www.webindia123.com/personal/music/bismil.htm
http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2317/stories/20060908002902800.htm
http://www.dimdima.com/news_room/show_archives.asp?q_aid=18&q_title=Bismillah%20Khan%20_end%20of%20an%20era

Many blogs also claim the same. But at the same time, many other sites (e.g. smashits) claim that some B. Madhu has played Shehnai. Can someone find whether Ustad actually played Shenai for this song? --APandey 18:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, its a tricky situation! The official website of Swades doesn't make a mention of him. If he really had played the shehnai for a song in Swades, they'd have marketed this fact or at least mentioned in the website. This is the page from the official site which has got names of the complete crew : http://www.swades.com/completecrew.html. Go to the MUSIC CREDITS section, the credit for the shehnai for the song is given to Madhu. Jay 05:22, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
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