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RE:Use of The Bikini in Female Bodybuilding

Why did you remove the section of this article "Female Bodybuilding"

Did Annette Funicello sport a bikini?

Did Annette Funicello ever wear a bikini in a film? I seem to recall a Disney Channel documentary in which she reminisced about being asked by "Walt" always to wear a one-piece. --Ed Poor

I found this, but is it to the point?

Ironically, in most of those beach movies she wears the most conservative clothes of anyone, though she's the star of "party beach" -- watch how often she's wearing hostess pants and blouses while the girls around her are in skimpy outfits. For instance, in Pajama Party she wears a nightie and flimsy robe while everyone else is in tight-fitting shorts and PJ's that become tight, wet, and see-through when everybody falls in the pool. She has said that she didn't think it would be proper for her to wear a bikini, and Walt Disney himself had asked her not to when she started making the non-Disney beach movies in the early '60s.

Image Organization Needed

The images in this article are all appropriate and fitting to the topic; however, they are all over the place. Would someone organize the pictures to their likeness, possibly in a small gallery at the end, aligning them with the text, etc. Thank you. Alvinrune 12:17, 18 June 2005 (EST)

Better pic

Is it possible that we could find a picture someone wearing a bikini where the head hasn't been clumsily pasted onto the body, using a metal collar to mask the join? DJ Clayworth 21:22, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

The picture does look somewhat more suitable for collar (BDSM). -- Karada 01:06, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Mary Carey was recently a candidate for Governor of California, and therefore (I, in my naivete, think) a public figure. Wouldn't her often-displayed campaign picture (which can be seen at http://www.marycareyforgovernor.com/) be useable?
Being a public figure is a defense against claims of breaking portrait right, not against claims of breaking copyright. If you had taken a picture of her wearing a bikini, we would have been allowed to use it, but we're not allowed to just take a picture from elsewhere and use it.
On a more positive note: http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml?f=view&id=55305 - it's not completely GNU/FDL compatible, since the author must be noticed before use, but it's a hell of a lot closer than much of the other things that are uploaded. http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml?f=view&id=84025 has no usage restrictions, but the water avoids a very good view. Andre Engels 04:37, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Neither ideal. I guess we could recruit wikipedians to find a suitable replacement picture. Now please form an orderly queue.... DJ Clayworth 14:51, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Check out http://www.musicpundit.com/archives/000463.html -- explicitly licensed under the Creative Commons! Alas, it's a very restrictive license: Attribution, Noncommercial, Share Alike. --the Epopt 03:29, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Attribution is ok, share alike is borderline but I would like to allow it, but noncommercial is clearly going against the GNU/FDL. Also, the lower part of the bikini is almost completely covered by further clothing, which I think is a big minus. If it's just about a bikini top, http://gimp-savvy.com/cgi-bin/img.cgi?noaclMsNnPAO3pg939 will do - but I would like a picture having both. Andre Engels 10:25, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I did another look at stock.xchng - how about http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml?f=view&id=11727 ? - Andre Engels 10:39, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

On second thought, it's the best proposed till now, but the current one seems better. Andre Engels 10:41, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I think the best option is to have a Wikipedian take a pic of a willing subject wearing one. I think trying to find a suitable PD source will be more trouble than its worth. Just my $.02. —Frecklefoot 14:56, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Once a willing subject has been found, please be very gentle in breaking to him or her that monokini also needs an image. More to the point, that page needs expanding, or merging with here to make a nice cohesive article, or both. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 15:43, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I have received permission from BomisTM, Inc., to use the picture I have added to this article. --the Epopt 19:43, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

It said "Used with permission" but Jimbo says that it's GNU FDL and CC Attribution Share Alike, so I changed it. Katahon 01:56, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)


There is nowhere near enough text to support three images. Looks a mess at my screen res. Pcb21| Pete 13:37, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

This was fixed. Pcb21| Pete 10:23, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
One of those repetitive Roman wall-paintings (Pompeii or Herculaneum?) would do well at Modesty. Wetman 10:42, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

An inappropriate image

You should read the discussion about Bikini.jpg in its featured pictures candidate page. The image was criticized being too licentious and objectifying, and thus unencyclopedic. I agree with these opinions wholeheartedly. The picture should be removed from the article. -Hapsiainen 12:41, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)

I'm not offended by it, but if you must, try chopping off the girl's head, only showing the bikini and not the sexy pout, or replacing it with the pic from the German wikipedia. Dunc_Harris|☺ 15:38, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Changed image to the image from the German Wikipedia, Image:Bikini Model Jassi 3.jpg. -- The Anome 00:01, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Your edit is by no means based on a neutral point of view, and I strongly object to it. --the Epopt 04:05, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
This is a slightly confusing use of the NPOV principle. The Anome thought the article was better illustrated with the German image - i.e. his opinion was related to the presentation of the article. The NPOV principle usually relates to not advocating opinions in the article. "Bikinis are by far the best form of swimwear." etc. would be unacceptable POV.
In terms of encyclopedic value, neither image is as good as the Micheline Bernardini image. They have no historic interest or value beyond a million other photos across fashion magazines around the world. These factors are, to my mind, more important than picture quality. It is a shame the Bernardini image doesn't have a copyright tag or I would advocate removing both images and using that one as the main picture instead. I would compromise with those proposing keeping a bit of titillation in the article by keeping the FHM picture which at least comes with a bit of social commentary. Pcb21| Pete 10:23, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The Anome admits that he removed the picture because in his point of view it is "licentious and objectifying," qualities that in his point of view are "unencyclopedic." Since it is impossible to define or measure licentiousness, objectification, or unencyclopedicallity, his reason for removal boils down to "he doesn't like it."
On the other hand, I agree completely that "neither image is as good as the Micheline Bernardini image."

--the Epopt 13:39, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Actually The Anome didn't make those comments at all - someone else did, but he acting upon them by changing the picture. Nevertheless I think there is a difference between simply not liking the picture, and not liking it in this article. For instance, if the person in the picture were a famous model with an article, I would support including the picture in that article, but I don't in this. Pcb21| Pete 15:04, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I think you're confusing my comments with those of Hapsiainen. The current image is neither licentious or objectifying, but simply depicts a person wearing a bikini -- which is, after all, how bikinis are supposed to be seen. As for titillation, that is in the eye of the beholder. -- The Anome 18:09, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Okay. So why did you replace the perfectly good existing picture? ::::::--the Epopt 21:04, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
the Epopt, can you put : marks in the beginning of your replies? Then they become indented, and threads are not messed. About the images: Micheline Bernardini image is now rightly the most visible because of its historical value. I am not the only one who opposes Bikini.jpg (Asian woman) image. It seems like The Epopt didn't read my previous comment, because The Epopt attributed my opinions to The Anome. The word "objectifying" doesn't describe my thoughts exactly, but I chose it, because it was used in the feature pictures candidate page. I give a broader explanation. Such bikini 'girl' images define what a woman should be, when they are ubiquiteous. The other images of women become invisible compared to bikini and other 'sexy' images. They are forgotten, and what is forgotten and invisible doesn't exist in people's minds. Then only the 'sexy' are images of proper women, which means that the women that are not like that have been failed. (OK, the Madonna & Whore myth complicates the situation, but I don't go to that length.)
Titillation is of course in the eye of the beholder, but there are cultural definitions for pin-up images. Then members of a culture can recognize its pin-up images (if it has such). And what was the purpose of the photographer, or the model when she took that odd expression?
The image has been criticized for bringing down the tone of Wikipedia, and making people to question Wikipedia as a reliable source. I completely agree with this. An user in the featured pictures candidate discussion said he likes the image because "she's classy...". Odd criteria for selecting an image. Such image in this article can be interpreted that Wikipedia is a playground of a set of heterosexual men, who regard a woman only as a passive eye object. This surely repels some potential female contributors. However, if the image would be in the article about the model, and the model would be famous for such poses, the image would be illustrative.
The descriptive (=encyclopedic) value of the Asian woman is low. She wears a bikini, but doesn't look like typical woman wering a bikini. There isn't beach, and rarely anyone goes swimming in bikini. The expression is already mentioned. I think I have now elaborated my view enough.- Hapsiainen
A woman wearing a bikini
A woman wearing a bikini

This is why I posted this image. The woman depicted is on a beach, and may well have gone swimming. She does not appear to be oppressed by the male gaze in the least. However, she does look attractive. Should she perhaps wear a burka to prevent this? The bikini was designed for (specfically female) body display. (Note that men's swim trunks are effectively monokinis.) People who do not want to display their bodies will wear a one-piece swimsuit, or the even more modest swimwear which is available from the clothing companies that specialize in such things. -- The Anome 00:32, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)


What is a typical woman wearing a bikini ? The asian girl is in a swimming pool, most girls I've seen in a swimming pool were wearing a bikini. IMO a bikini is a sexy outfit by nature. How to show a pic of a bikini that isn't sexy ? I can imagine two solutions :

- showing a bikini without a girl inside ?

- showing a girl wearing a bikini that is areal turnoff for most peoples ?

Obviously the Michelle Bernardini pic has an historical value but what is it's copyright status, can we claim fair use ? BTW I prefer not to imagine the debate if someone the idea to illustrate monokini. As for the picture from the German Wikipedia I find it's photographic quality very low : bad lighting, bad composition and ugly background.... Ericd 00:36, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Straw man argumentation. I didn't complain about the visible bare skin, but the Asian woman's expression. And people don't swim in bikini because it can lower when wet. They take the sun. That's why the picture is also unrealistic. I used the word 'sexy' sarcastically because pin-up and similar images depict what people think the other people find sexy. According to such images no man likes plump or curvy women, which is funny. If you crave for more 'sexy' images to Wikipedia, go and place some colour pictures to articles Penis and Muscle. Sarcasm aside, I agree that the Image:Bikini_Model_Jassi_3.jpg looks like it was taken in a backyard of a factory, but the woman's being is more realistic and the picture is hardly offending. -Hapsiainen 20:24, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)

A lot of people don't swim in a swimming pool they just take a bath...

A real turnoff for one may be a turn-on for another one. I am more disturbed by the piercing that by the expression of asian model. What's offensive for one isn't necessary offensive someone else.

Ericd 23:33, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hapsiainen states a batch of opinions -- "...images define what a woman should be...", "...women that are not like that have been failed..." -- as if they were facts. They aren't facts, and the repetition of them don't make them facts. They are simply bad reasons to impose his point of view on this encyclopedia. --the Epopt 02:12, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Repetition? I wrote it all once. And merely saying that X isn't a fact doesn't make X untrue. You could do something else to demonstrate it, e.g. catch a fallacy. Do it, I'm curious. -Hapsiainen 12:50, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)
Impossible, because your statements are opinions. They can no more be proven valid or fallacious than can the statement "the Epopt believes that 'a boy has never wept nor dashed a thousand kim'."
What makes them only opinions? I don't get it. At least they have some theoretical basis, which could be proven wrong or inadequate. Opinions are based on some facts (or misconseptions), but developed conforming to the person's experiences and values. I don't understand your example statement, because English isn't my first language, and I don't know what the word 'kim' means. Also the sentence structure is odd, does it try to be sentimental or what? I still have to point up that I haven't considered in this discussion whether modifying the text on the Bikini page is needed. I have just explained why not to use a certain picture.
OK, even if it comes out that my thoughts are too vague to have a theoretical basis, or the basis is controversial (Wait a minute! Is controversiality what you mean? This is something I can agree.), what makes them lesser than your opinion? And also there is The Anome, and 3–4 users (I'm not sure if Solitude counts) that have written in the Featured Picture Candidate page, who think that the picture is offending or harmful to Wikipedia. Why do you ignore their opinions? What makes you still cling to the Asian woman picture, even if it obviously pesters some people? I am not that kooky that I would demand having it deleted. Let it decorate the Featured Pictures Candidates page, because it was indeed a featured pictures candidate. Hapsiainen 16:33, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)

alternative image

Image:Beach Towel (occupied).jpg|thumb|right|Another alternative.:::Dunc_Harris|☺ 12:44, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • The discussions have continued for quite some time over what picture is appropriate. While I personally am partial to the "flowerpot girl" in the back yard, its clear that the discussion here will be based on preference. the current picture has historical significance and i think that this is a way for us to avoid the issue of taste. Let’s stick with something we can put a claim to belonging here other than, “she’s hot.” Cavebear42 15:58, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Disambiguation page

I propose that this article name be changed to a disambiguation page referring to each of the three bikini articles, and that this article be renamed Bikini (bathing suit). The bikini garment was named (quite inappropriately) after the atoll that was bombed uninhabitable, and I think first disambiguation reference should go first and foremost to the atoll, which is an ongoing (albeit mostly quiet) political dispute between the Republic of the Marshall Islands and the United States. Out of respect for the Bikini people to be represented fairly on Wikipedia, I propose that the atoll article be first in a disambiguation page, followed by this article on the swimsuit. That way, anyone who speaks English in the world who wants to gather sincere information on the Bikini issue will not first have to tangle with articles about what half-naked women in developed nations wear to the beach. I am also preparing to add an article for Flag of Bikini, one of the most memorable flags that few people have seen. (I originally lived in the Marshall Islands, and I would compare something like this to the idea of having the Titanic article space be about the Hollywood movie instead of the ship that sank, or having the Quaker article be about the computer game instead of the religion that founded Pennsylvania.) - Gilgamesh 13:57, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I oppose this proposal. It is convention here that we use the most common name of a person or thing. Someone looking up "bikini" is almost certainly looking for the swimming suit, and to receive an article designed "out of respect for the Bikini people to [ensure they are] represented fairly on Wikipedia" would be annoying. In common usage, the word "bikini" with no modifiers refers to the swimming suit. The (former) island has its article at Bikini Atoll. Consider the lone word "Washington." The only thing called simply "Washington" is the state, so its article goes there. Everything else has a natural disambiguator attached (not a parenthetical phrase no one ever uses outside Wikipedia). The city is Washington, DC, the person is George Washington, the obelisk is the Washington Monument, and so on. And by the bye, why the "half-naked" and "developed nations" pejoritives? Is there an agenda here we should be unaware of? [[User:The Epopt|➥the Epopt of the Cabal]] 17:23, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Pejoratives because, to be absolutely frank... It is nauseating that the most powerful country on earth nukes a distant land with whom they are not at war into the stone age, and yet "bikini" is forgotten by most in that same country except as a swimsuit that impacts men's shorts "like an atomic bomb". That adds sheer insult to injury of the Bikinian people and the people of the nearby atolls who were given fatal doses of radiation from the Bravo test. When you see the official flag of Bikini and its people — which I just barely uploaded to Wikimedia Commons — you will understand. I always attempt to speak with a neutral point of view, but in this case, I need Pepto Bismol. Bikini's citizens are still alive and around, and they still want their atoll back, and they're still begging the United States to help them clean up the poisons that linger in their land. However, editing as neutrally as I can, I chose to recommend a disambiguation page instead of redirection outright. I recommend it because it really has been and still is a sensitive political issue. Would you do the same if suddenly a swimsuit called "Hiroshima" became better known than the city? - Gilgamesh 17:37, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Flag of Bikini is up. Take a look. - Gilgamesh 17:54, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
So you sneer ("half-naked") at all women who like to wear skimpy swimming suits because you are angry at the government of the United States? I fear for your ability to maintain the NPOV on this issue. Note that women in not-so-developed countries usually wear even fewer clothes when swimming than the "half-naked women in developed nations."
Being interested in vexillology, I was already familiar with the flag of Bikini. I'm afraid it causes me no more intestinal upset than does the twenty-dollar bill when considered in conjunction with the Trail of Tears. I am beginning to get the impression that you want to rearrange articles in Wikipedia because the United States mistreated the inhabitants of one of its territorial possessions. (Correct me if I'm wrong; I don't want to mistake a strawman for your real position.)
...You're right. This issue makes me angry and I can't keep a NPOV on this issue. I'm not some anti-American crusader though. I just feel close to this particular issue. And I suppose it was short-sighted of me to presume that people in developed countries outside the U.S. are just as clueless as Americans tend to be. I retract my insults and apologize for them. - Gilgamesh 04:12, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I do not find your reasons or pejoritives compelling and I oppose your proposal. Since we both seem immovable on this issue, I recommend that you write up your proposal at Wikipedia:Requests for comment and see if you can develop a consensus. [[User:The Epopt|➥the Epopt of the Cabal]] 22:42, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

No, read above. I can't maintain NPOV on this issue. I'll move on to something else. - Gilgamesh 04:11, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A question: are the people of Bikini annoyed that the name of their atoll is used as the name of a bathing suit? Or that the Bikini page in Wikipedia is about a bathing suit, not about the island or a disambiguation page. If you don't know their opinion (or at least the opinion of some of them), don't put words in their mouths. -Hapsiainen 14:03, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)

Ask them. [1] - Gilgamesh 17:05, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Very good point. The concept was nauseating to me, but I didn't once think whether the Bikinians themselves had a problem with it. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. Their website seems to make easy reference to its history in the links pages with little problem. I don't know. - Gilgamesh 17:09, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Either way, I'm out of this. I made the Flag of Bikini graphic and article, I linked it, my work is done. - Gilgamesh 17:18, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

While I sympathise with Gilgamesh's objections, I think the current state seems satisfactory; after all, even sandwich refers to the food rather than the city after which it's named, and I suspect Sandwich has a larger population. - Mustafaa 11:05, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Return of the Bomis Girl

I'm following the argument over the image of autofellatio currently consuming the mailing list with great interest. If that image remains in that article, I intend to restore the Bomis image of the bikini-wearer stepping into the backyard pool to this article. ➥the Epopt 03:53, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I don't really care if that picture stays or goes but I do feel that the one we have has historical significance and, this being an encyclopedia, that should outweigh any personal preferences we have of which girl is cuter. Cavebear42 23:25, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
So we include both. I don't see any problem with having more than one bikini-wearer at a time. ➥the Epopt 05:00, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
You can't apply the results of autofellatio image poll here, the cases differ so much. The only common thing is that some people feel both the images are too obscene for an encyclopedia. But no-one has described the Bomis image pornographic. And no-one has stated that the Bomis image proves something that is generally thought impossible, or is good sex education material. On the other hand, no-one has nominated the autofellatio image as a featured picture candidate, or criticized it pronouncing prevalent, twisted norms. The cases should be judged by individual basis, because they are not comparable. -Hapsiainen 15:42, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
Your objection, as stated above on this page, is that "The image was criticized being too licentious and objectifying, and thus unencyclopedic. I agree with these opinions wholeheartedly." The autofellatio image is far more licentious and objectifying, yet neither quality renders in unencyclopedic in the minds of its fans. ➥the Epopt 02:00, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I have to quote myself, because you didn't do it properly. "The word "objectifying" doesn't describe my thoughts exactly, but I chose it, because it was used in the featured pictures candidate page." Now, back to the topic. You don't seem to understand my comment. It is a summary of the discussions of the Bomis image and the autofellatio image. I don't agree with all the arguments presented in the discussion, no-one does so.
You shouldn't make simple assumptions of the voters' reasoning. Here's mine: I originally voted to keep the autofellatio image inline, because I thought it proved something which is often thought impossible. Proving such is a big merit. Then I changed my vote, because I realized that the image isn't necessarily honest. It couldn't have other encyclopedic value. You seem to have voted for linking the autofellatio image. Should I assume that you also want to do so with the Bomis image? No. -Hapsiainen 20:48, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

Criticism of critism section

"Bikinis are often criticized by feminists as a means of turning women into sex objects. Many from other cultures also criticize it for the same reason." There is lot of weasel words in this section. What cultures, what feminists? Feminism is so varied and long movement, that is is possible and even probable, that a part of is has critisized it. But which part, which authors? Does the contributor of the paragraph know it or was that just a guess? I know only a small subset of feminist literature, but I can't remember such criticism. All criticism that I remember attacks e.g. having bikini 'girls' in yellow press, beauty contest and other public rating of women's looks. But this is different from criticizing a garment. And no feminist has criticised bikini because it makes woman look unworthhy (read: hooker). They have attacked the concept of a hooker. So this addition seems unprecise, even dubious. -Hapsiainen 12:19, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

I didn't contrib this but i jsut finished linking Feminism and unsectionizeing it. While i wouldn't have added this myself and I would like to see the support, feminism is a vast subject and im sure that there is critisim by some part of it somewhere. Cavebear42 20:31, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

media depiction

i dont see how this really adds to the article. i dont seee how a pic of a allegegly famous chariter which i have never hear of is representative of media. id just as soon see the picture and section go and be reduced to, at most, one line int he above article. what do ya'all think about this? Cavebear42 03:09, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • I don't mind it the way it is. I think all the info is relevant, including the whole "chainmail bikini" concept, but you may be right about it not deserving it's own section.-LtNOWIS 01:46, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Are we talking about that Channel 4 100 Greatest Sexy Moments with iconic Bikini portrayals???? Sorry, I can't find anything related on that site. Could you check on another machine, maybe you have some evil cookies leading directly. Otherwise we could link to images.google.com, which finds a lot of Bikin related
Thanks for the explanation at User talk:Test-tools#Bikini, even I have a bit understanding problems. But I would then suggest to use:
-- Test-tools 12:29, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Old image

What happened to the use of this image? While I don't want to argue over who is cuter/prettier/sexier/blonder, that image is professional quality, while the rest that are currently in the article are just plain ugly (the pictures themselves, not necessarily the models). The old image is GFDL and is incredibly clean. Is there some special objection which I've missed?

Regardless of what is done in reference to this specific image, this article needs cleanup. The current layout of the images is just plain ugly. — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:31, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

  • The Micheline Bernardini image is in because it is a famous bikini. See also the talk above. Pcb21| Pete 20:12, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Considering the new image addition I vote for the return of the asian woman. Ericd 19:20, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
    • I still oppose the image of the Asian woman. I have nothing new to say about it, though. Everyone insists on their views, so is there really a need to re-discuss this? Byt the way, the recently added image has an unclear copyright status. -Hapsiainen 09:17, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
      • Unclear copyright status and really objectifying women IMO. Ericd 23:16, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
        You won't find a clearer copyright status anywhere: the owner, Jimbo Wales, clearly and explicitly licensed us to use it. I have no idea what you mean by "really objectifying women" — please explain. ➥the Epopt 17:02, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

I was not referring to the Asian woman but to "Lita" Ericd 23:34, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

My mistake about the image, then. I see the "recently added image" line now. My apologies. ➥the Epopt 03:39, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Other words?

"Two-piece garments worn by women for athletic purposes have been observed on Greek urns and paintings, dated as early as 1400 BC."

What were these garments called? "Bikini" is a modern word; what were some of the older terms for two-piece garments? Did the top and bottom parts often go by separate names? If so, what were some terms historically used for the bikini top / brassiere and the bikini bottom / panties? I don't mean to sound lewd or anything, but I (and probably some readers) would be interested in knowing what some of the "real" words for these things are, apart from modern-day nicknames, euphemisms, and genericized trademarks. --Corvun 07:42, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

Evolution of the bikini - Inappropriate links

The links in the last paragraph in this section are all off topic except slingshot. Teardrop links to a DOS attack, mini links to the car, micro links to the number system. Shouldn't they be cleared out? 68.185.124.163 01:44, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Weird choice of links

In the section on evolution of the Bikiki, you have linked to some odd places. In particular, the Mini links to a page about a car (admittedly, a small one!) - did you maybe mean to link to Miniskirt? SteveBaker 17:47, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

New Front Picture Needed

Can we please replace the picture of the grotesquely ugly looking woman in the red bikini with someone who is a little better looking? I mean the first picture people see should be a 10, not a 6.5. Anyways, just a thought--Geppy 08:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I was looking to complain about the exact same thing, please... spare us! --Tribe4ever 07:21, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Just a sidenote

On the "Roman Bikini" fraction of the article, the veiwpoint is somewhat skewed. I am only quoting a history channel special now, so I could be wrong, but it is beleived that the Romans beleived the breasts to be "too sexual" for public display (even in a non-nude sense), hence the women of the time wore tight cloth bands around their chests to obscure their bust lines. and they looked very sexy thank u!

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