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Contents 1 Out of curiosity... 2 Krezowski Article 3 Category:Eurovision songs 4 Gumleys 5 Wikipedia:Editor review/BigHaz 6 Robert Franklin Young 7 DYK 8 Edit summaries 9 DYK 10 No it isnt 11 RE: Just a quick heads-up 12 Archiving talk page 13 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 14 Eurovision song 15 Somerville's theory of music genres 16 DYK 17 Baronetcies 18 David Harris 19 Vanity page - Adam Howarth 20 Letting off steam 21 Eleazar: 22 David Harris 23 FLR in the ESC 24 Current DYK nomination 25 DYK 26 DYK 27 DYK 28 I treni di Tozeur 29 DYK

Out of curiosity...

No, I don't spend much time researching. If the article does not stand on its own, it should be deleted in my opinion. The web site you pointed me to still does not do anything to make me think he is notable. It's probably because I'm culturally ignorant of the most things outside the United States. Sorry. -Nv8200p talk 02:08, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if it was a bit hair-triggered as a comment from me, but it strikes me as though nominations for deletion should be based on some level of research, particularly if they deal with things which might be verifiable somewhere around the place. I'm not saying that a nominator needs to be an authority on Gujarati poetry to nominate a poet who writes in that language, but even a cursory Googling for Lithuania's entrants in the ESC shows that they're both verifiable and notable. BigHaz 02:44, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Krezowski Article

You don't think that the Joseph Krezowski article merits inclusion in Wikipedia, eh? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dminutive (talk • contribs). Yes, good point about Mr. Krezowski. Sorry about convoluting things by deleting my earlier comment; I'm getting used to things at Wikipedia here, and was feeling bad about having personally edited your page. I understand that that is how things work now, and will alter my future conduct in light of this. Thanks for responding to my inquiry. Dminutive 01:20, 09 September 2006 (UTC)

No hard feelings at all. Good to see you're getting the hang of the setup here, and allow me to offer my services to help you out if there's anything more you need clarification on. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 01:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Eurovision songs

Please don't add articles to a category when they're already in one of its subcategories. Thank you! Rain74 14:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Given that my contributions don't show me doing that, I'll take this as a misguided warning. BigHaz 21:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi remember that e.g israel songs also have Category:Israeli Eurovision songsErnst Stavro Blofeld 08:20, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah. I thought that was probably the case, but I wasn't totally sure. I'll make the change to the list now. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 08:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Gumleys

My speedy criterion was A7. User:Zoe|(talk) 17:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I can just see that applying, but it was the fact that it was more of an idea than a group which concerned me about that. I've had a couple of admins zap my CSDs before for not following the exact letter of the law, so I thought it was better to be cautious. BigHaz Schreit mich an 21:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I tend to follow WP:SNOW - when in doubt, delete, and if somebody objects it can be undeleted. That's what WP:DRV is for. User:Zoe|(talk) 22:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

True that. I'll try that and see how far I get :P BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Editor review/BigHaz

I've created it for you. Just go to WP:ER and then link to it. Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 22:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Cheers, mate. Much obliged. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:39, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

You should go to WP:ER and link it to your subpage. Also, change your sig so that there is a link to your review page to get more traffic. Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 23:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Good ideas. It's been a madhouse here over the last couple of days, so I'll take advantage of a break and do that now. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Robert Franklin Young

Check again. Sometimes it's polite to give new users, like User:Roberts fr, a little leeway with new articles. ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 07:31, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Fair cop. In retrospect, I should probably have prodded it after the question of the other 'pedias came up to give someone five days to add the info (which to me sounds reasonable, since I have minimal French and no Russian and had no way of verifying that he existed there under the guise he exists here now). BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:34, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

DYK

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(technically a self-notification, since the updating admin didn't do it). BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Edit summaries

I was actually going to suggest that you use that particular option, but didn't really know how helpful it would be. Hope it works! :) Daveydweeb (^chat/_patch) 09:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Every now and then it gets a bit silly (do I really need a summary on an edit to a subpage of my userpage? Somehow I think not), but it usually serves to keep me honest, and there's been a handful of times when I've done a fair bit of work to an article and clicked "save page" blithely, so I think it's handy. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 09:19, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Quietly, you shouldn't warn an establish contibutor with a robo-template. It will irritate people.Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 09:28, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Was that about Mikkalai in the Russian Language Topics AfD? Point taken, regardless of who it was about, though. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 09:38, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

DYK

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No it isnt

Removing the deletion notice is not vadalism. I even checked the wikipedia page on vadalism. It is no where to be found. I didnt remove it without improving the articles. I only removed my own text that I wrote myself. I do not recall removing other people's text. Also aren't I allowed to remove text from my own Wikipedia profile page? User:Blinkchillie90

First and foremost, removal of AfD notices is vandalism. The fact that a series of templates exists saying as much proves this (see WP:TEMPLATE - particularly Template:Drmafd and further up for this). I would also refer you to WP:VAND again, as there is a section entitled "Avoidant Vandalism" which clearly states Removing {{afd}}, {{copyvio}} and other related tags in order to conceal deletion candidates or avert deletion of such articles. in a list of "types of vandalism".

Secondly, as the removal was done by an IP I had no proof that it was you. That being said, it's generally considered "the done thing" to leave a warning note on your Talk page, since it allows other people to keep track of what you've done. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 21:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, regarding the removal of an AfD template, I refer you to the wording of the template itself, which states Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed. In other words, you're free to add as much information as you want to the article while people consider it for deletion, but don't remove the template after you've done so. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 21:57, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

RE: Just a quick heads-up

Many thanks! Fixed it now. Cheers TigerShark 09:49, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Archiving talk page

OK, ich habe daran gedacht aber, als ich keine solche Probleme gehabt habe, es scheinte mir unnotig. Ich werde das in due course erledigen, ich bitte Dir nur um ein bisschen Geduld :D Bravada, talk - 12:31, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
PS. How is my German? :D Have you come to my talk page just to tell me to archive it? Have there been complaints about it?

It's too late here (10:30pm) for me to comment on your German properly, apart from to say that es klingt wie richtigen Deutsch (which is probably appalling grammar on my part - it's been a long day). If you're desperate, check back here tomorrow after I've had a good night's sleep :P A couple of quick pickups - "unnötig", rather than "unnotig" and usually no need for a capital D in "dir".

And no, there haven't been any complaints that I've seen. I was just surfing around and came across your name and saw the length of the page. To be honest, my first reaction was "I know how much he likes getting DYKs, and I wonder if they'll be able to load the page properly to leave the notifications". BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 12:36, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Knowing the time I edit WP usually, it must have been somewhere around 2 AM when I put my comment there, so I guess it's not that bad :D I do capitalize Du and other second-person pronouns out of Hoflichkeit, and also you have to verzieh mich for not using umlauts when typing in (primarily) English - kinda dirty-Deutsch here :D I have to get down to archiving but the darn time doesn't want to stretch as much as I'd require it now... Bravada, talk - 15:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I more than forgive you, those pesky little dots trip me up every now and then as well. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 22:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I actually have nothing against using Umlauts and have no problem with them (OK, I do sometimes, but I am doing my best :D ), it's just that typing in Umlauts requires typing in Alt+0228/0246/0252 everytime, which is not that much of a problem when I have the numpad, but working with a laptop now I find it rather difficult to write fließend with Umlauts. Gosh, I've got to get down to archivig my talk page, but everytime I log in there are a million other issues and then there's no time left... :( Bravada, talk - 00:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

So you don't have a box of special characters underneath the box where the text you're typing goes? On my screen, I've got a mess of Wiki markup code, a series of symbols (currencies and so on), all the special characters for latin-based alphabets I can think of, plus Greek, Cyrillic and IPA. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 00:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I do, of course. But for me, if trying to type in special characters via Alt+xxxx w/o a numpad is a kerfuffle, switching between keyboard and mouse while writing is a nightmare... Bravada, talk - 00:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah, true. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 00:38, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

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Proof positive if I needed it that my definition of "minor edit" isn't necessarily congruent with everyone else's. A handful of those articles I've only touched to remove unverified text. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 22:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Eurovision song

Sure I guess. But if it's something that's performed once at some contest and doesn't win, where do you draw the line? The third place song? The fouth? The eighteenth? And all the entries read "X is a song by Y from Eurovision 20XX. It got Zth place. {{song-stub}}" Bleh. Just make a List of Eurovision songs already. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 06:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Not all of them read that at all. Some do, but others have considerably more detail (see, for example, the DYK'd articles in my archive and on this page). In the case of the song we're currently talking about, the fact that it was performed by the first black woman to appear for France is probably a good notability point, as is (potentially) the fact that it was written by a very famous person. If we feel like drawing a line, perhaps the fact that bands/singers are notable if they "place" at a major contest could be included in relation to songs - in which case second place is most decidedly a place under both the letter and the spirit of that criterion. Of course, there's still the fact that to appear at the ESC, the song needs to win a major (national) competition in the first place. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 07:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Probably we should start using succession boxes on the songs like we do on the artists like Eimear Quinn. Ok, I'm slack and spend to much time monitoring controversial editors....Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 07:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll get onto it soon enough. I was holding it over until we had a reasonable sample size, and I think we have that now. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 07:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Somerville's theory of music genres

Don't ask me what I was thinking when I tagged that one A7. Thanks for doing the right thing and prod-ing it. Erechtheus 19:11, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

No problems at all. I thought it was one of those "this has to go, but I can't think how on earth to get rid of it" moments. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 23:01, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

DYK

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One of the most significant entries being frontpaged on my birthday. What a lovely coincidence!. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 21:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

(belated) Happy Bärsday then! :D Bravada, talk - 23:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Happy birthday - am I late or is this Australian time? Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 00:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

You're a couple of days late, actually. It was September 18, like the DYK, but I'll forgive you since you're officially on a break :P BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 01:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Baronetcies

No. (Further to your comment on Matthew Brown, non-Baronet). List of baronetcies in the Baronetage of Nova Scotia (etc) lists extant and extinct ones. And is far from complete. The extant and unproven ones are shown under Baronetage of Nova Scotia (and England and Ireland and Great Britain and United Kingdom). Some 1,200 of them in total, many of which owned by Peers and therefore invisible. Join us on Wikipedia:WikiProject Baronetcies. - Kittybrewster 11:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

The point that I was making was that there were a large number of ones marked as "extant" in that list, which to me argued against the claim "he's a baronet, therefore he's notable". Another user had said much the same earlier on, however since the claim had been made again I felt it had to be refuted again. I can't claim to be an expert on baronetcies, but when there are a large number of extant and unproven ones, surely that means that any individual holding one is not exactly a member of an exclusive club, or at least not one as exclusive as Nobel Prize Winners or Olympic Gold Medallists? Mind you, my preference for deletion of that article was in fact based on the fact that the individual himself wasn't of any note, rather than any issue to do with the number of baronetcies going around. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 11:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Perfectly fair comments. As you say, they are thicker on the ground than Nobel Prize Winners. - Kittybrewster 11:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

To my uneducated eye, it may well appear that a baronetcy itself may be a notable position, but not necessarily any of the individual holders thereof unless they do something else as well. Then again, I may well be talking through my hat here. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 12:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Kinda chalk/cheese comparisons but for the sake of argument 1200 baronets -v- 300 new gold medalists + 600 silver/bronze created every four years Alci12 13:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Not exactly. The 1200 baronets are what they are purely because of an accident of birth. The 900 medallists per olympiad are what they are because they're one of the best three participants in their chosen sports. I've always subscribed to the view that it's only the immediate royal families of countries still with active monarchies who are automatically notable because of their birth - lesser royals need to be famous or infamous first off. The application to baronetcies (or the children of famous movie stars or whatever else) seems to hold. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 21:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

David Harris

I've answered your comments on my talk page there. Just coming here to let you know I've placed the David Harris article on Wikipedia:Deletion review too. Gene Nygaard 15:14, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

This, by the way, demonstrates that there are people out there so married to process that they'll let a patently non-notable person (a high school rugby league player, in this case) have an article purely because process wasn't followed to the letter. Thankfully, the review found that the deletion was perfectly valid. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:12, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Vanity page - Adam Howarth

Frankly though, I don't see why he should have a page because of his service. If every solider who has saved many lives could create a page, then we'd be swamped with those sort of articles. ChinaNailStorm 09:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

True enough, but if he saved enough lives to get a medal for it or if he saved someone like Nuri al-Maliki, that would be significant. Of course, if he'd done either of those, the page would have said so already. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 09:04, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Letting off steam

The old "expand" A7 and "uncontroversial" prod arguments just keep circling round and round, unfortunately. Still, it sort of works eventually. Good night, Yomangani^talk 12:15, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

True that. I need to keep reminding myself that ye olde process works 99.99% of the time. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 12:16, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Eleazar:

While an AfD is active, the content needs to be viewable so editors considering the AfD can see the article they are rendering opinions about. I felt it was a clear delete, but who knows... someone else might have a different opinion based on the original text of the article. The few other times I've seen this sort of thing happen, I restored the original version, and then I usually contacted the author to confirm that they wanted the content removed, and then I tagged it for Speedy per author's request. This time I didn't tag it though because it appeared that others were pursuing the speedy per author's request route already.--Isotope23 12:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah, fair point. I'm with you now. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 22:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

David Harris

Thanks for letting me know. It's even worse than I thought. Of course, the fact that Parade College is a red link was a good clue of notability.  :) User:Zoe|(talk) 22:53, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Not a problem. If local knowledge isn't useful in this kind of case, I don't know when it is. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 00:18, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

FLR in the ESC

Hi BigHaz,

Thanks for your message. Interesting idea, but I'm really not sure if such a topic warrants its own article. I would rather say that this should be written about in either Rules of the Eurovision Song Contest, or History of the Eurovision Song Contest. Both of these sub-articles need to be completely re-written; much in the same way I completely re-wrote the main article. It's been my intention to do this work sometime in the future, but if you want to take on the task then feel free! :) I have included some pointer headings in the comments at the top of each of these pages... but modify them if you like. I certainly do feel that the FLR issue is an interesting topic, and should be dealt with across these two articles. It's just that it doesn't need an article on its own. Sorry to give you an answer you might not have wanted. If you do decide to take up my suggestion, let me know: I might be able to help. All the best, EuroSong ^talk 10:02, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm not sure there was an "answer I wanted" per se. It was more just one of those things which I thought I'd float past someone else and see what two heads could come up with rather than one. Now all I need is the time to have a go at writing it to fit into the main article, which is going to be more of a challenge :P BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 10:31, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Current DYK nomination

How many articles have I had up for DYK by now? You'd think I'd have finally gotten the hang of the nomination process after over a year of doing this. *foreheadslap*

Harriett Everard it is. --AlbertHerring 20:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Happens to us all, mate. The number of times I forget bolding... BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 20:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

DYK

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DYK

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DYK

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I treni di Tozeur

A note. I reverted your edits on Franco Battiato because Italian song (as well as books and films) titles have no capitals. I think it should be true also for other non-Anglo Saxon countries (except France, in which the first word of title is in capitals, i.e. "Le Chanson d'amour" but not "Le Chanson D'Amour"). So, "I Treni Di Tozeur" now redirects to "I treni di Tozeur", "Fiumi Di Parole" to "Fiumi di parole" etc.. If you've time, check other Italian songs entries and move them to the correct page!! Remember also that, as per WP:style, titles of songs must be included within "...". Ciao and good work! --Attilios 21:14, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

It seems like a strange way to run things, reverting an edit which links to a perfectly valid page simply because the linked page's title doesn't conform to the manual of style. Particularly when one also moves the page in question in order to have it do so. Nonetheless, I'll see what I can do about the Italian songs sooner or later. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

DYK

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