Talk:Betrayal at Krondor

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Background section needs sources Plot may need some more summarising. Reception: Needs to reference reviews in major magazines/websites etc. This is a loved game. Should be easy to find good examples. Perhaps a few screenshots more, illustrating various other parts of the game aside of just the combat. I believe the article is long enough to justify at least a few more screenshots. Probably needs some more solidifying. The article may be hastily written and needs some fix-ups that make the prose a little less boring. Many of the automated peer review comments may be still valid, even when the article structure has changed. Some very valid points at peer review that may still apply as well.

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i want to add the download location for the game (which i did and was subsequently removed) -- granted i did not know the correct format and the hyperlink was not given a proper description, but still... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.200.20.195 (talk • contribs) .

• Providing a direct download link is nasty because the software is still copyrighted and apparently being sold somewhere. I think the best we can do right now is to put a link to Home of the Underdogs, which merely describes the game (and coincidentally lets you download the game, at least until Vivendi complains). As noted in the article, the game is not freeware according to Vivendi, even when it previously was. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 10:39, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• The game has been freeware since 1997 [1]. Pictureuploader 12:03, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Please read the article! Cited link: "We [Vivendi Universal Games] have existing contracts with other companies that preclude us from being able to authorize this [redistribution by unlicensed third parties]." However, Vivendi isn't making much noise about people redistributing it, though that's not the same thing as them condoning it... --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 12:19, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 CD-ROM version 2 "This Kingdom Mine" = "Greensleeves"? 3 OK, some rambling on the cleanup requirements. 4 Reviews from dead-tree magazines needed 5 Character bios and plot summary 6 Anon user's claims...

[edit] CD-ROM version

what's different in the CD ROM version? (if anything at all) ? (131.130.121.106 08:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC))

Well, I've seen two CD-ROM versions, the budget CD and the one that came with the book; The budget version has CD soundtrack and the option to use it in game, and the book version doesn't have the soundtrack but has video interview of Feist. Uh, some of the versions also have Windows help file that has bunch of stuff about the game. And there may have been additional demos/video clips in the book CD too. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 08:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "This Kingdom Mine" = "Greensleeves"?

Has anyone else noticed that "This Kingdom Mine" (the tune you play when barding) bears an uncanny resemblance to the song "Greensleeves"? Shador5529 23:01, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Now that you mention it... yes, yes it does. :) Chris 03:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OK, some rambling on the cleanup requirements.

Basically, I added a bunch of stuff to this article way back then. Then User:Cjwright79, while at least trying to be helpful, expanded the article - but not exactly in a neutral way that is expected of stuff that's supposed to be in an encyclopaedia article.

While I wasn't looking, he then nominated the thing to be a Featured Article and for Peer Review. Frankly, this is barely better than a stub article, and has too glowing language to merit either. This article has a long way to be a Featured Article, and the problems with the article are, frankly, self-evident.

So, the thing is, now this article needs to be cleaned up, trimmed, and partially rewritten - and expanded. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 17:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Phew. I went ahead and cleaned up most of the wholly unnecessary glow from this article. I also reorganised the article a bit; I took the article structure from Final Fantasy VII (let's copycat the structure of a real bona-fide Featured Article, shall we?) There are still a lot of stuff to do:

1. Needs sources for the background/development section
2. Some summary of the plot. I never beat the game (last year I restarted my game like 10th time already) and it's been a while since I read the book.
3. Needs some summary of the player characters [2]
4. Definitely some press references to the reception.

If I ever get struck by Boredom, this is what I'll focus on. =) --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 19:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

...and there's now a box that lists Stuff to Do up there. Yay. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 20:00, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I just re-worked the introductory text; I like your changes to cjwright79's garbage. Looks like this article may make it to FA status one day afterall! Mathiemood 20:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reviews from dead-tree magazines needed

As incredible as it may sound, great big magazines aren't really keen in getting their 1993 articles online. So I'd appreciate if people would dig out some old reviews from big magazines.

I did find a review from Pelit online archive (subscriber-only); it's particularly memorable for me because May 1993 issue was the first one that I when I subscribed the magazine. I've found a couple of reviews from smaller sites too. But here, we'd really need some reviews from dead trees editions.

I hope Pelit has some weight; after all, Niko Nirvi was one of the reviewers and he's always right what comes to RPGs, for sure. =) --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 22:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I remember Compute had a good review of BaK, right before it folded. Unfortuntely, I trashed that issue about a decade ago. Vranak

[edit] Character bios and plot summary

I had to cut down the character bios; most of that stuff was copied from game and/or manual, and we can't have direct copies of stuff here. Plus, that wasn't really helpful in understanding the context anyway and what role they play in the game. (Okay, my stubs don't do that that well either...)

The plot stuff is good, but I guess it's a tad bit too extensive right now. It could be summarised further. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 15:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Appears to be done, according to MagicKnight0233 who deleted this section. I restored it for the sake of talk page history. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 13:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anon user's claims...

Here's what some IP user added:

Among computer game players age 25-35, Betrayal at Krondor is lauded for having possibly the best plot in any RPG from the '90s.

Another important note is it's abundance of items and spells, a fact which went unappreciated up until a few years later, when other games reached the same depth in these particular areas.

...that's pretty much OR and a bit fan-glow, and can't really be put here, unless we find someone with even a modicum of authority who has claimed this.

For all it's popularity among mature players, however, few young players have ever heard of it, and Raymond Feist have long claimed he wants Midkemia available through this type of media again.

This could possibly happen in an upcoming MMO text-based game set for release sometime in the near future by IronLore Entertainment.

This can potentially be added, however, if these are sourced somehow. Does anyone have press references? --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 15:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC)