Talk:Beta Upsilon Chi

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[edit] Removal of Kappa Upsilon Chi references

Hi, after attending the Fifth Annual Leadership Summit and attending a Question and Answer session with our Founding Father, Tyler Beard, I had the opportunity to clear up the mistakes. Sigma Phi Lambda served for our inspiration after they founded on Texas Tech University. Three men tried to rush Sigma Phi Lambda when there was no male alternative. One of the founders of Kappa Upsilon Chi was an initiate in Phi Gamma Delta, a social GLO for men, and sat with the other three men and decided first to look around. They looked at Alpha Gamma Omega, Beta Upsilon Chi, Alpha Nu Omega. All three of these organizations had relatively long colonization timelines and therefore since some of the men were graduating, the decision was made to found Kappa Chi at TTU. If you would like to further argue this notion, please present factual evidence, not theories or drawn conclutions to support your writings.

If you would like to discuss this with our national board of directors, our founding fathers or anyone else in the organization, please feel free to contact me by e-mail at jczup@ufl.edu and I will be happy to redirect you to the appropriate sources.

Thank you.

[edit] Wikification?

[edit] Keeping Under Christ emerged from BYX

Despite someone's efforts to remove the information from the BYX and KYX entries about the origins of KYX, those origins are accurate, conform to the NPOV policy, and should be included for the information of the reader. The information can be corroborated by officials at both BYX and KYX.

Once again...please show me the information you got from any Kappa Chi official and please give us their names so they can be corrected! Jczup 01:10, 21 June 2006 (UTC)jczup
The above information was posted way back at the beginning of June when we first started arguing over this stuff. I'm going to headquarters this weekend and will attempt to show you my information. Thanks. Diezba 23:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, what were the results since I checked with our headquarters and nothing was on record. Thanks! 156.33.18.196 18:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)jczup

[edit] The KYX-Editor Strikes Again

But this time, we're going to go ahead and try to find some compromise language. You can't deny that KYX was influenced by BYX.

Have we come to a conclusion about this subject?--Keylay31 05:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1st in Oklahoma ?

First Christian fraternity in Oklahoma is disputable. Sigma Theta has had chapter in Oklahoma since 1988. Sdwagers 23:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Response

Perhaps, but is Sigma Theta a national fraternity? I believe that is the understanding that the "Trivia" fact is trying to portray. Certainly there are local Christian fraternities all over the place, but BYX was the first national one to colonize there.

Diezba 00:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Response

Sigma Theta Epsilon has been a national fraternity since incorporation in 1925 (though name changes have occured). Even at lowest chapter numbers, STE has had a visible presence in OH, WV and OK. STE was certainly not just a "local" fraternity to the degree that you may be suggesting. The yearly National Conclave of Chapters has been held continously every year, well before the founding of BYX in the late 20th century.

For your reference, we had chapters in Oklahoma, well before BYX's creation.


Tau : University of Oklahoma (1949-68)


Epsilon, Beta Alpha : Oklahoma City University 1950-54; attempt at reactivation in 1957) (1988-2006)


Psi  : Southwestern State College (nka Southwestern Oklahoma State University)1955-57)

Beta Zeta : Northeastern State University(2002-present)


No offense, (and none taken (;) but please check your facts before laying claim to such trivia. I am happy to work together with you to verify any as I the STE national vice-president. (:

Sdwagers 17:09, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry Diezba 16:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

hey.. no problem.

Sdwagers 23:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


Kappa Upsilon Chi references

Please site with legitimate links the comments you make about KYX. Thank You and God Bless. ~jczup

[edit] Island Party article

It seems to me that someone needs to write a Island Party article. (it is linked in the BYX article, but goes nowhere) Anyone up to the task? --Keylay31 05:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA review

I'd probably rate this article at 'B-class', as it has most of the major sections of a good article, but does not meet all of the good article criteria.

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is well written.
    a (prose): b (structure): c (MoS): d (jargon):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (inline citations): c (reliable): d (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
  5. It is stable.
  6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
  7. Overall:
    a Pass/Fail:


The main reason that the article fails GA is lack of citations, and/or lack of reliable sources. The entire history section lacks citations (with the exception of the table of founders, which is only attributed to the website). Almost half of all of the inline citations simply refer to either the entry page to the organization's website, or to the about page. It would help verify information if you could be more specific; e.g. provide a direct link to the part of the website that you're referring to. It might also help to look at WP:CITE for help on formatting citations.

There's quite a few tables for the founders and board members and such, which seems to occupy large sections of various sections, and are not accompanied with much actual text description. It might help to remove the tables and write the names of some of these lists in prose form, particularly for the shorter lists of five or fewer names. For the longer names, a separate linked page might be more appropriate; the article text could then refer to some of the more important or notable founders.

  • done--Keylay31 23:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

For example, who was the main person, or the primary 2 or 3 people, involved in starting the organization. There's no mention of that anywhere in the article. It's hard to believe that all 28 founders contributed equally to the organization.

  • done--Keylay31 23:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

The lead section does not adequately summarize the article. It might be helpful to review WP:LEAD.

The photos overall look good. Who's the lady in the photo with the executive director? Is she significant to the organization? Or is she just his wife or girlfriend? If she's not significant to the organization, I'd remove her and post a photo of just the executive director alone.

  • done --Keylay31 00:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

The 'uniqueness' section is a bit awkward. Aren't all student organizations & fraternities & sororities unique in their own way? Is this really worthy of a main section? I'd move the part on 'cell groups' to 'membership', and move the 'inspiration' part to 'history'.

  • done --Keylay31 23:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Trivia sections are generally discouraged from articles. It's ok early in the article's development (stub & start class), but the content of such sections should be merged into other areas of the article prior to GA-class. Also, the statement, "BYX is the largest Christian social fraternity in the world," is original research if it is not cited with a reliable source. Same goes with, "BYX was the first national Christian social fraternity in Tennessee, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Missouri."

  • done --Keylay31 00:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

'In the news' probably goes under the 'history' section as well. Probably in a subsection for 'recent news', or maybe a subsection for 'UGa controversy', since it really only covers a news story of one chapter.

  • done --Keylay31 23:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

The list of chapters is redundant with the links to individual chapter websites under 'external links'. I'm sure the national website probably has a list of all of the chapters & prospective chapters of the organization, and it would be better to simply link to that list under 'external links', rather than having a whole section devoted to this.

  • done--Keylay31 23:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

The link to the personal blog article should be removed from external links (personal blogs are not considered reliable sources on wikipedia, and are generally considered linkspam). The link to the AJC article is a 404 not found and should be removed.

  • done --Keylay31 00:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

The 'notes' section should be changed to 'references', and moved just above the 'external links' section. Most articles on wikipedia follow this form.

  • done--Keylay31 23:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

That's the obvious ones that I can find. I hope that helps improve the article. It may help to review the WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities, as well as some of the organizational articles listed under that project, for tips on how to improve this one. WP:WIAGA also has information on what the good article criteria are.

Good luck! Dr. Cash 03:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reformatting thanks to this review

I will be reformatting this page and looking for sources over the next couple of weeks. --Keylay31 23:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Still to be completed

  • More referencing

--Keylay31 04:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Table of Founding Fathers

I feel like this information is useful, so I have copied the table to the discussion page. --Keylay31 23:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


Craig Albert David Cortright John Edson David Givens
Scott Love Tim Miller Steve Patrick Brian Rynne
Clayton Walther Greg Young Erik Bradford David Daniels
Richard Foster, Jr. Stever Hoehner Mark McGee Stuart Nolley
Roger Poupart Kenneth Sapp Wendel Weaver Tse-Horng Yu
Micheal Brown John Douglas Jeff Garrett Clayton Jewett
Jeff Miller Keith Onishi Don Reid John Wilson
Source: National website of BYX, at http://www.brothersunderchrist.org/

[edit] Executive Board

The current board of directors. From left to right: Chuck James, Brett Williams, Wendel Weaver, John Sherman, and Kyle Hoover
The current board of directors. From left to right: Chuck James, Brett Williams, Wendel Weaver, John Sherman, and Kyle Hoover

Here is an image of the executive board, Not sure if it is "too much info" for the article.--Keylay31 00:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alumni Association

This may not be necessary for the article:


In 2005, the national Board of Directors approved the creation of a national Beta Upsilon Chi Alumni Association. Prior to this organization, individual chapters had coordinated alumni activities with loose affiliation with the national fraternity. This move, designed to increase the services offered by the Fraternity while harnessing the resource of BYX's twenty years of alums, also meant that local chapters now had a pool of experience to call upon for assistance with the program of the fraternity on both the local and national level.

In addition to serving the local chapters, the alumni association was designed to enhance the benefit of BYX membership through the its extensive networking efforts. Under the auspices of the alumni association, BYX alums throughout the country have been organized into a national database that members and alums may access through the national website.

--Keylay31 04:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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