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[edit] Satyajit Roy and bengali literature as a whole

I was surprised not to find the name of Satyajit Roy, who is arguably the most gifted bengali of the modern era, among the contributors to bengali literature as presented in this article. In my opinion, the history of creations in this language is incomplete without him. He (and his father and grandfather)had opened many new horizons in this literature, which the predecessors have failed to envisage. I would demand an immediate inclusion of his name.

Another issue I would like to mention about this article which includes a sub-division of the literature as "Bangladeshi literature". I don't think that the literature is distinguishable by political or geographical boundaries when the language and the script are the same, in addition to the culture and heritage. The Bangladeshi are proud of their language, and they are proud to identify themselves as Bengalis. It would be noteworthy to point out that many of the prolific writers (enlisted as "bengali" writers) migrated to West Bengal from Bangladesh, after spending a considerable number of years of their lives in Bangladesh. Whether they are to be identified as "Bengali" rather than "Bangladeshi" is pretty much unclear to me. I think it's better to identify all bengali writers as bengali writers, irrespective of geographical boundaries.

Last of all, I would also like to point out that the list of writers from Bangladesh (I won't use Bangladeshi writers) as presented in the article is pretty thin. I could name atleast a dozen more who deserve to be included here. I think this article needs a radical change in this regard. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Junaidasm (talk • contribs).

[edit] Modern authors?

The article doesn't discuss modern (post 1947) literature as much as it does the literature from previous periods. --Ragib 20:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

It takes a lot of thinking and time to collect right information and organize them. I am working on it and I am hopefull to contribute soon. Auyon20:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Middle age

Also missing are mediaeval poets like Boru Chodidash (who wrote sri Krishna keertan), Ramai Pandit, and so on. A look at Category:Bengali poets can help in this regard. --Ragib 20:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. By the way, do you know of any source from where we can collect an image of Charyapada? I think It will be the ideal picture to go with the first paragraph. Auyon20:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

You can upload the image of Charyapada from [1] to commons, using the tag PD-old and PD-India, this is in PD because the work is old, and photos of such PD things are are also in PD, besides the photo is definitely at least 60 years old, and therefore in PD. Add the appropriate tags as I mentioned. --Ragib 20:40, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I cannot access the images...whenever I click on it, it brings me to page saying Forbidden You don't have permission to access /Images/C_0144A.JPG on this server. Could you upload the images yourself please? Auyon 03:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Done Image:Charyapada.jpg --Ragib 03:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I inserted the image. Auyon 15:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regrets...

It seems, since my last visit to this page, it has somehow deteriorated quite noticeably ! It now contains a lot of spelling errors, capitalization errors, careless casual mistakes, typos, inconsitencies, mixed-up tense, awkward or badly written sentences, gramatical errors, etc. The overall impression one gets is almost similar to what you get from a chat room or message board or sms, and not something you would expect from a wiki article (not to mention an article on literature) !! (well..that's a bit of exaggeration perhaps, but still...)

Following are only a few examples of what I found either erroneous or a bit disconcerting:

Words: 1. tadious 2. evoltion 3. Sangskrit 4. wold 4. enequality 5. genere 7. unjust (where it meant 'injustice')

Sentences or parts of sentences : 8. In the middle of 18th century, Bangla literature starts to gain motion 9. made himself engaged in literary works 8. (Written Language for Bangla Prose) 10. He ruled the bangla literature wold for more than a decade 11. Bangla literature also become rich with its variations 12. that lights the fire against enequality or unjust 13. It is actually poems. It was written on 9th century and Harprashad Shastri discovered in the Nepal Royal Court Library in 1907. Its a palm leaf manuscript.

14. Use of both 'bangali' and 'Bengali' 15. Use of both past and present tenses while describing the past 16. Often sentences start with letters in lower-case; etc etc...

These don't look like the work of the regular editors here. But where are they anyway? Busy elsewhere ? :-)

--Monmajhi 21:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

{{sofixit}}. By this, I mean if you spot spelling mistakes, why don't you fix it right away? --Ragib 22:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

>> Fixed a lot upto the 'Parichand Mitra' paragraph (hopefully without creating new errors :-) ). The rest will have to wait. By the way, shouldn't the "Nil Bidroho" (see the Impact of Nil Bidroho section) be translated as "Indigo Revolt", instead of "Blue Revolt"? We are talking here about the plant 'Indigo' and its forced cultivation instead of rice, aren't we ? And what about 'Nil Dorpon' ? Is there any need to translate this, even if within brackets ? --Monmajhi 22:01, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I think you are right, Monmajhi. I dont know what the 'nil bidroho' is called in english, But indigo revolt seems right to me. Lets see what others say. Translating Nil Dorpon...well, almost all of the book title is translated, so why not this one? By the way, should we change the spelling of Nil to Neel? In bangla, we write it with a dirgho e, not with a hrosso e. And in english ee represents it, doesn't it? Thanks. Auyon 09:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

The 'Modern era..' section of the article states that Bengali litrature gained momentum in the middle of 18th century. Actually this happened in 19th century. Almost all of the pioneers of modern Bengali language and literature were either born in this century or spent their productive life during this century. This was the period when the modern form of Bengali literature came to life. Anyway, I've corrected the error.--Monmajhi 20:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merger with History of Bengali literature

I want to bring to attention that History of Bengali literature has been proposed to be merged into this article. I hope to see some discussion of this, so we either can start merging or removing the merge tag. Delta Tango • Talk 01:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

• I disagree with the merge. I think this is an article on Bengali literature where the article should go according to the subset basis like Novel, Short story etc, But history would be a timeline based one. Auyon10:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
• Don't merge. This article should be a descriptive/narrative article on Bengali literature going genre-by-genre and, may be, school-by-school, as well. The History article should be chronological, and, if it's any consolation to the inclusionists, should ideally be more comprehensive in naming all (as much possible) writers of note. Unfortunately the chronologcal presentation of the History article leaves a lot to be asked for. - Aditya Kabir 13:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

The merger has been up for debate for almost a full year now, we have two people who have chimed in with againsts and none for. I think it is safe to remove the tags now and I will go ahead and do just that. -Warhorus 04:22, 25 December 2006 (UTC)