Talk:Ben Roethlisberger

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Contents 1 section titles 2 Unnecessary Comments 3 Misc 4 Dubious, 05/26/06 5 Dubious, 12/18/05 6 Roethlisberger image 7 high school 7.1 High School 8 Pre Draft combine stats 9 Bengals fans and others who dislike Roethlisberger 10 Failed GA 11 Style of play 12 Nothing about his accident 13 Current Events tag 14 FOR the record 15 WHY???

[edit] section titles

I had to bold the NFL season title to put the two individual seasons inside of the main NFL season section. Is there any other way to do it? Akshayaj 17:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I tried it by instead bolding the individual seasons, and that works better I think Akshayaj 17:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Please see Help:Section, they need to use the correct header formats... just using bold words isn't correct. --W.marsh 17:09, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

alright I did it the right way Akshayaj 18:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unnecessary Comments

The officiating in the Super Bowl. Save it for the actual Super Bowl article. It has nothing to do with Roethlisberger himself, don't turn it into an article aobut the game.

[edit] Misc

--How about a picture of Ben? I can't believe somebody could find a picture of the storefront of Peppi's but can't put up a picture of the guy himself, I'm sure it gets 8,000,000 hits on Google Images. I don't know how, because I don't sit on Wikipedia all day editing other people's free speech.

1. It has not been established wether or not he was wearing a helmet yet. Don't post stuff you don't know about.

• I recall some reports in which witnesses stated this. I can't find them right now, though.

2. Somebody take out the "Died June 12 2006" part that some Jealous Colts fan put in.

Ben has never thrown more then 3 interceptions in a game, why does it say he averages 5 picks when he throws over 24 times?

Changing the tense for the superbowl game is fine, but adding that sentence about beating two undefeated teams in a row mid-season seems to be a mistake. That statment seems meaningless. What constitutes midseason, and is there a citation that proves it had never been done before? ZPS102 20:43, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I'm going to agree with you on that. Without a date attached, that line is meaningless. -im Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 21:38, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

The Steelers beat the Patriots in week 8 and the Eagles in week 9, in a 17 week season that pretty much constitutes the middle of the season, and it hadn't been done before, John Madden said so.

[edit] Dubious, 05/26/06

The passage "Averages 5 interceptions in games where he has been forced to throw 24 or more passes" appears under the records section. As it stands, this is not an actual record (more like trivia), but in either case, it's also wrong. It implies 5 INTs per game, which is not correct.

For what it's worth, he averages 1.076923 interceptions in (professional) games where he attempts 24 or more passes (stats from nfl.com). I have no idea what the original editor intended, but this sentence should be struck; guess I may have to register. -Jesse 70.96.145.221 22:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dubious, 12/18/05

• I can't find any mention of Ben Roethlisberger chewing tobacco anywhere. Please cite a source.

Addaone 20:26, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Roethlisberger image

I hope that someone out there can come up with a better picture of Roethlisberger which we can use on Wikipedia (i.e. public domain or otherwise open source). Drunken party pics are all well and good (and probably open source, too), but not something by which I think he should be immortalized. -- SwissCelt 13:23, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I just thought it was funny. -- myselfalso 15:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

jordan

[edit] high school

The high school section needs some fixing. I don't quite get "didn't play qb until he was a freshman" Doesn't high school start with being a freshman? And I'm not sure the last line fits.

Perhaps the writer meant that his HS freshman year was the first year in his life that he played QB--that he played a different position in the lower grades.

[edit] High School

If I'm remembering correctly, it went like this: Findlay had a freshman football team, and he was the quarterback of the Freshman team that year. The following year, he went straight from the Freshman team to the varsity team (skipping JV), and he was a wide receiver on the Varsity team his Sophomore and Junior years. During that time, Ryan Hite was the quarterback.

This has caused a fair bit of controversy, as Ryan is the son of Cliff Hite (who is currently running for the Ohio House of Representatives), who was the coach of the football team. But, at the time it wasn't a controversy at all. With Ryan at QB, we were running more of an option style offense, and we were winning. It didn't become a controversy until much later.

Anyway, his senior year, he became the QB and broke a bunch of records. He appeared in Sports Illustrated that year in.. 'Faces in the Crowd' or something like that, and he came in second (I think) for Mr. Football Ohio or something. Pepsi2786 04:16, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Please add the parts of this that you know are true, such as the differences with the coach and the faces in the crowd mention, I can't provide a source for these but I agree completely with what you've written, I remember seeing it on TV during the 2005 season.JohnnyRush10 09:07, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pre Draft combine stats

What were his various combine stats? What was his Wonderlic score? Funkyj 18:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bengals fans and others who dislike Roethlisberger

Please do not add scare quotes to reflect bias, such as "he 'won' the Superbowl." -EB

Here's something else, if you want to argue the credibility of his Super Bowl victory, also cite Mike Pereira's speech stating the other side of the argument, because these articles have to be neutral.

[edit] Failed GA

This article failed the GA noms due to lack of stability as it is a current event. Tarret 00:32, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Style of play

I'm removing the "Style of play" section because it is uncited and is generally disjointed. Roethlisberger being a pocket passer "who can scramble when neccessary" doesn't say much considering most quarterbacks can be described that way. His weight may be factual, but doesn't explain his style of play. Every quarterback's height allows them to "look over the line" and saying that "he has a big arm and good range" isn't encylopedic. The rest doesn't explain his style of play and would do better under a 2005 section. - Ektar 05:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nothing about his accident

Why is there nothing about his motorcycle accident? This is Wikipedia and that's a pretty major event in his life that's affected him and also created controversy about helmets.

Done, but no reason you couldn't have done it yourself. :) NawlinWiki 14:47, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• Actually a large section about it was removed here with no explanation. --W.marsh 15:07, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Current Events tag

I have removed the current events tag as I believe enough time has passed since the accident that we will not recieve a lot of new information. There may be more information released about his recovery but it probably will not change rapidly as events pass. Please discuss if this tag is needed still. --WillMak050389 19:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

What is up with it saying "I hope rotlisberger does better next time".. BIAS??

[edit] FOR the record

...ben was born in lima ohio at st ritas hospital...not in findlay...but every time i change it, some idiot puts it right back to findlay... in fact he lived in elida ohio until his mother past away, then his father remarried and moved the family to findlay ohio. N.B. this comment was written by 71.79.41.67 and was unsigned. --Dpryan 18:44, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Then cite your source. The previous citation alleged to verify your claim even contradicts you. Unless you have some source, his own website says he's from Findlay, then you can't go around writing that willy-nilly. See WP:V. Assuming what you say is correct (and it may well be, I'm three years older than him so I wouldn't have remembered him at Elida) then a more accurate statement would be "born: Lima, Ohio but moved to Findlay, Ohio at a young age" or something of the like. --Dpryan 18:44, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WHY???

On the page i saw this under the NFL career section.

I tried to erase it, but i coulndt find the words on the edit page. could sombody see if they can remove this. thanks!

It was vandalism which was reverted in less then a minute. Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 05:05, 8 October 2006 (UTC)