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Date of review: 2007-03-30

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[edit] Good Article Nomination

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is well written.
    a (prose): b (structure): c (MoS): d (jargon):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (inline citations): c (reliable): d (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
  5. It is stable.
  6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
  7. Overall:
    a Pass/Fail:


Too soon? Pacific Coast Highway {The internet • runs on Rainbows!} 01:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I would think so. There's still some stuff that has to be done. Pacific Coast Highway {The internet • runs on Rainbows!} 01:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Gosh, now I feel stupid... I'm the one who nominated it for GA. Wish I could undoit. --PostScript 01:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I inserted the template above to keep track of things. It mostly passes, however, the only thing it fails on GA is the sourcelessness of the article. We used heatblast.net, but we have already agreed to not use it as a source, as it promotes advertizing. So? What now? I put it on hold for now, until this can be solved. And, every picture doesn't have captions. If you disagree with something on the list, please change it's icon! Thanks! --PostScript 04:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Might introduce you to a little template called {{cite episode}}? The character sections look perfect for that.--Rmky87 05:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! However, I prefer someone else to fill in the templates, as when I do it, it produces disasterous results. Someguy0830, are you up to it? --PostScript 21:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome! What sort of results would those be?--Rmky87 05:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Messing up the whole artcle. Poor Someguy0830 spent half of his life rving my edits. Well, as no one proposed to do the sources, I'll do it on Saturday, its getting urgent, as the hold period is ending.--PostScript 21:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for putting an example in Rmky87! I'll do everything this Saturday. --PostScript 20:59, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

DONE! 95% of the sources are now accounted for, with exceptions to a few facts, which are listed below. All we need to do now is vote. So tell me, how will we vote? What system of voting will we use? Furthermore, I've removed the hold, now that the sources are in. FYI, we need to decide for (see checklist above): 1a, 1b, 1c, 1d, 2d. And of course, 7. --PostScript 00:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello? Anyone out there? --PostScript 21:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

Folks, could you please tell me where you got the following informations, so I can reference it:

  • Ben is three hours older than Gwen
Removed --PostScript 18:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Max are the kid's paternal granparents
  • "[Gwen] holds Ben in contempt and insults him with dry wit and sarcasm most of the time, she has some respect for him deep down but dislikes showing it"
  • "[Gwen] tries to help Ben figure out how the Omnitrix works (much to her own dismay)"
  • "[Max knew] everything from military-style hand signals to a working knowledge of nuclear reactors"

Thanks all! --PostScript 00:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, that first one sounds definitely like cruft to me. —May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg) (drop me a line) 00:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, same here. I've removed it, unless someone is able to give a source for it. --PostScript 18:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Let me add something to the list: --PostScript 18:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Gwen's name is Gwendolyn (the episode Ben 10,000 says she "went by Gwendolyn since college". Does that mean she changed here name, or just stopped using her nickname "Gwen"?)
OK --PostScript (info/talk/contribs) 01:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
It's her full name. Pacific Coast Highway {The internet • runs on Rainbows!} 19:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Gocha. But I need a source: where did you read/watch that it was her full name? Thanks! --PostScript 19:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I believe they revealed it for the first time in the episode "Tourist Trap." —May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg) (drop me a line) 20:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

You sure? I'll try to get it and watch it to check. Thanks! --PostScript 21:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Yep, you're right. Just checked. --PostScript (info/talk/contribs) 01:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ben 13? (Or more)

I've been wondering, shouldn't the show be named "Ben 13" for now? Because Ben now has 13 aliens by his command inside the omnitrix... Just a thought.

Yay! My brain is elsewhere! (Probably Venus!)- -- Criminal9021 20:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

For one its 14 now because of the mummy and no the name is just a play on words not the number of heroes Ben has. Ben is likely going to get more aliens so if they did the name like that they'd have to either a( stop giving Ben new forms or b( compleatly change the name to something the number of aliens would effect. Superx 00:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Main Enemys

Ghostfreak is supposed to be behind the warewolf and mummy aliens so would he count as a main enemy and be placed here or should we wait. If someone can prove that the current info is correct then I so we should because that would mean he is the main enemy of season three. Superx 20:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, we should deffinitely wait, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. —May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg) (drop me a line) 21:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Failed GA

I think this article is close to becoming a GA. Here are some things you could improve on to help it pass a future nomination.

  1. Image problems. This article has a lot of copyrighted images, and from what I saw, not one of them has a really solid fair use rationale. Some of them are much too large to be justifiably FU, and some of them have really insufficient image-page summaries (like "He is hot").
  2. Expand the lead. It can be a few paragraphs long.
  3. Talk more about the series' critical reception and general effect on the world.
  4. Give the article a thorough copy-edit and review the manual of style. One of the problems I see is that your headers are capitalized incorrectly; only the first word and proper nouns should be in caps, so as an example, "Main Protagonists" should become "Main protagonists" (although the phrasing is weird regardless).
  5. Work on organization. A lot of the info in your characters' sections is actually plot. And you might think about an overarching 'Characters' header.
  6. Add more references. You can cite the heck out of the plot and character sections just by putting <ref>Episode #.</ref>

Work on these things and I think you're well on your way to GA and even FA status. Nice work so far! --Masamage 07:24, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

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