User talk:Belgarath TS

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[edit] Vandalism and Hate Speech

I recently noticed your vandalism of the Freemasonry article on the 13th of August 2005. If you really believe the things you wrote, you have no understanding what so ever on the topic of Freemasonry and therefore really shouldn't bother trying to add anything to that article.

Freemasons, or 'mansonites' as you seem to like to call them, do not deserve to be persecuted, victimised and harassed on Wikipedia just because of your ill concieved notions as to who and what they are. Jachin 11:41, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

I did no such thing, and your trying to cover your tracks for hideing the truth of the information I added to it about the secret nature of the freemasons by saying I vandalaized a entry so I look like the bad guy while you edit the entry and censor the information. Belgarath TS 10:38, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Belgarath, I removed your edits from the Freemason page because I felt, and still feel it was simply vandalism. If you take issue with that, please post your objections on the Talk page. We are always willing to discuss the Ancient Craft. Please keep in mind we are writing an encyclopedia here. This is not place for unproven theories. Paul, in Saudi 14:30, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

That is exactly why you should not be censoring information just because you dont like mason secrets being made public. I NEVER vandalized ANYTHING and if I was a common vandal as you so claim I would not be so against your perceptions of my attempots to help wikipedia be more factual. Why dont yuou just fess up and admit that the only reason your claiming I vandalized anythign - when in fact I did not - was becouse as a mason your against mason secrets being made public and your own NPOV is currupted by your own bias, and you feel that the fastest way to shut me up is to claim I am a vandal when I am simply just trying to add information to a entry like anybody else on wikipedia. Belgarath TS 22:47, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Belgarath TS

Lots of talk on the 33rd Degree!!! I am sorry that someone has put "vandalism" and your name together.

The Structure of Freemasonry can be confusing. Yes, I am a Freemason. In my opinion I can understandy why you might say that there are 33 degrees in Freemasonry, but you would be more accurate in saying there are only three.

You can view a pictorial representation of the Degree Structure at http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/texts/degrees/life.html which was published in Life- but I have not checked this( "The Structure of Freemasonry." Life. vol. 41, no. 15. 8 October 1956. Time Inc., Chicago. [from a painting by Everett Henry] printed size: 21" x 14".) .

Alternative graphic representations can be found at http://masonicworld.com/education/files/STRUCTURE%20OF%20FREEMASONRY.htm. There is another version at http://www.mastermason.com/daylight760/structure.htm

They are all lacking in some respects, but I understand them being a Freemason.

I will try and explain them. When I first joined Freemasonry, just like all other men, I joined a "Blue Lodge". You can find the three degrees at http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/texts/degrees/structure.html at the bottom under the heading "Blue Lodge". At the top of this lower section is something called a "Master Mason" - the third degree and "the highest level". BUT, a Master Mason is then entitled to join other Masonic Organizations, there are lots of them ! For instance "Knights Templar", "Scottish Rite" and "Royal Arch".

I don't like these picture as they suggest you move "up" when you complete other degrees - in fact your really move in other organizations which have being a member of a "Blue Lodge" as a prerequisite. I would hope that the pictures are formed by showing upward movement purely to make them fit on a page, don't let that create the impression they are like Officers in the Military who command those below. A Mason who hold the 33 Degree is only a "Master Mason" and has not sway over a Blue Lodge. The only thing which does is "Grand Lodge" which it the governing body of all "Blue Lodges" in a jurisdiction and often has mundane tasks like fundraising and administration....

I don't think those changing your edits were suppressing any "secrets" - just trying to make the article as accurate as possible given their personal experience of Freemasonry.

Thanks to all those who add/edit the pages on wikipedia - its a great source of information on many things!

Belgarath, if you want to check this out further, mention this at dinner parties and work. I would be surprised if you don't already know a Mason or two who might explain it better.

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