User talk:Belg4mit

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Contents 1 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 2 Why reorder the daylight saving time images? 3 Sunrise & Sunset image suggestions 4 Would rather keep "See also" section limited to closely-related topics 5 Please see "Map should not collide with table of contents" in DST talk page 6 Larry Niven

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[edit] Why reorder the daylight saving time images?

Your recent change to Daylight saving time left me puzzled. The comment says "logical reorder of images" but it seems to me that the previous order was logical. The first section is an overall discussion, and is illustrated by a the philosophical image (the man trying to move the clock arms, with the clock value somewhat irrelevant). The "when it starts and stops" section is more technical, and talks about a specific example (switching from 02:00 to 03:00), and the illustration matched that. So why swap the images? Eubulides 18:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

The plain clock seems more generic (although even better [or as accompaniment] would be the graph I mentioned on the talk page, which I intend to duplicate), whereas the propaganda relates better to the regional discussion in the second section. --Belg4mit 19:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, OK, sorry, I hadn't detected the propaganda aspect of the image of the woodcut. But the "Where it stops and starts" section does focus on the exact details. Since it is more of a general/philosophical image, I'll move it to the "Benefits and drawbacks" section, which contains that sort of discussion. I also noticed the Gaisma graph, but haven't had time to generate an SVG image along those lines. You might want to also look at Sunrise, sunset, daylight in a graph to check Gaisma's work. You might want to use London as the city, as its data will match Willett's original proposal. I think a graph like that should appear in a more-technical section like "where it stops and starts", as the graph will require explanation and thus might be a bit off-putting in the introduction. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eubulides (talk • contribs) 19:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Sunrise & Sunset image suggestions

Thanks for doing the sunrise and sunset image for Daylight saving time. Here are some ideas for making it even better:

• In 2007 at Greenwich, DST starts March 25 and ends October 28, but the graph makes it look like DST starts March 1 and ends September 1. Why the discrepancy?

• The horizontal lines are at 72-minute intervals. It would be easier if they were one-hour or perhaps two-hour intervals. 72-minute intervals are hard to understand for most people.

• The caption and legend are in the graph. It would be nicer if the graph contained no English; we can put the caption and legend in the calling page. Then we can put the image in Wikipedia Commons and let non-English pages use it.

• The legend "Actual Rise" isn't quite right; surely you mean "Standard Rise" or something like that. But we can worry about that later, once the legend is moved to the calling page.

Eubulides 06:15, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

• I misread the funky British style long form date format. Also, I don't think it's worth plotting 365 points (24 seems good enough), and being off by a few days on either end should be fine; the point is the DST shift, not a reference for checking the comings and goings of the sun.

• That was the default. I'll look at forcing something else, but it'll likely be at the expense of compactness.

• Meh.

• No I mean actual, it's UTC.

--Belg4mit 06:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Would rather keep "See also" section limited to closely-related topics

Re your recent change to Daylight saving time adding Analemma and Sundial to the "See also" section:

I'd rather keep "See also" limited to closely-related topics. There must be dozens of topics that are somewhat related to daylight saving time (including Daylight, Saving, and Time :-); we don't have room for them all. Would you mind if I removed these two additions? Eubulides 06:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I felt they were both quite pertinent given the common thread of the sun. --Belg4mit 06:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, but DST doesn't really care about the full analemma; all it really cares about is the horizontal component i.e. the equation of time, and the DST page already refers to Equation of time. Also, Sundial is already linked to in the text, and the Wikipedia style guideline says that "See also" shouldn't duplicate links already in the text. I see now that Daylight saving time is already violating that rule in other places so I'll fix that now. Eubulides 08:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please see "Map should not collide with table of contents" in DST talk page

Thanks for your recent edit to Daylight saving time. Lots of people have been fiddling with the placement of those images recently, which leads me to believe that what works well for your browser probably doesn't work well for mine. Could you please check out my proposal in "Map_should_not_collide_with_table_of_contents" on the talk page? Thanks. Eubulides 04:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Um, I did this in response to "should not collide," but only saw the first half of the message (through "narrow"), and therefore tweaked the sizes to something more reasonable. I don't really care where the map is, but do think the 300w is easier to read. Yeah, of course there are lots of edits. Congress fucked things up in 2005 and people are just now experiencing the result. --Belg4mit

[edit] Larry Niven

Niven is definitely a libertarian himself, being a registered Libertarian (here). He has also authored novels that definitely fit into the theme of libertarian science fiction. For example, Fallen Angels won the Prometheus Award for the best work of libertarian sci-fi (and, IMO, the idea of Puppeteers is pseudo-Objectivst). Bastin 13:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Meh --Belg4mit 14:36, 25 March 2007 (UTC)