Talk:Before Crisis: Final Fantasy VII

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Contents 1 Whoever Did It 2 New Turks, Multi-Carrier Release 3 Official names 4 Images problem 5 Accent mark on Elfe? 6 episode titles 7 Moved titles from hyphons to colons for subtitles

[edit] Whoever Did It

AU the company that does the EZweb phone stuff. It doesn't mean Alternate Universe.

[edit] New Turks, Multi-Carrier Release

Updated with the new Turks and the logos and info for the EZweb and Yahoo!Keetai versions of Before Crisis that were announced at TGS. Also corrected the glaring mistake that Before Crisis was released for the FOMA 900i series, as the game works perfectly fine on about 20 other FOMA i-Mode camera phones which aren't in the 90X series at all. WtW-Suzaku 20:39, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Official names

Now that the game's been shown in English at E3 and some people have played the demo, we know a couple official English names. Veld (aka Verd) is now officially named Verdot. French. Like the wine. Pronounced "ver-doh". Sears is Sears. Some of you people called him Shears, but I had it right all along. Hah! :) WtW-Suzaku 12:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I can't find any proof of the latter. Perhaps you could provide a link to that effect? -Elena 17:54, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Not like it's hard to find. http://na.square-enix.com/e306/titles/bcff7/ WtW-Suzaku 09:07, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I found it almost right after commenting... do I feel like a dink. XD -Elena 19:19, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images problem

I'm a little bit concerned that we may be including too many images vis-a-vis fair use criteria (and specifically, under WP:PJFF guidelines, which limit us to 15 fair use images per article, IIRC). I don't wanna delete them all out-of-hand, but I'm worried that if we don't do something to fix this, someone else will.... – Seancdaug 05:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree; perhaps images for non-crucial characters (i.e., Vincent) should be removed? -Elena 04:03, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Go for it. The portraits (better even then the screencaps and stuff on the wiki) are all relatively easy to find anyway, if you know where to look. The one for Vincent isn't even from Before Crisis, it's from Ehgeiz. Vincent doesn't even wear a Turks uniform in BC. WtW-Suzaku 18:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I've made a few minor (?) changes to the Before Crisis Turks section, changing the character names to their proper format, which is actually in Before Crisis. I also edited the ordering, so that they fall into the proper order given in the game, official sources, and just about every single Japanese website about the game. Also edited "chapter" into "Episode", which is used on the official site, and put chapter titles into parenthesis.

For referance, the official ordering is always "male, female, male female...", with the first two characters having been available since the beta, the second two since the first Episode , the next two since Episode 8, and the final two since Episode 18. I still listed the less often, unofficial (Character A, Character B) titles, though.

Removed the referance to Rod's weapon being an "Electro-Mag Rod", because it just isn't. It's simply a "Rod", which can later be replaced by the stronger "Pierce Rod" and "Light Rod". Any elemental properties that are attatched to it are defined by the materia equipped to it, just like with any of the weapons in Before Crisis. In fact, it's entirely questionable that Reno's weapon is even an "Electro-Mag Rod", as that's simply the name of an attack he uses.

Re-ordered them, to fall in line with the official "ordering", in which they are always listed male, female, male, female. This is the order that they are listed in the games, on the official website, and in just about every other Japanese website I've seen them in. I also removed further references to "Female A", or "Character B", etc., as those are not official, and are just a way that some fans choose to keep track of them.

Lastly, I renamed "Turk (Fencing)" to the far more accurate "Katana", as he's LITERALLY called 刀(男), or "Katana (Male)". I also changed "fencer" to the more accurate "swordsman", as he practices neither kendo or fencing. It's important to note the that he uses a Japanese katana, as opposed to a European type of sword. WtW-Suzaku 05:44, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Accent mark on Elfe?

Does 'Elfe' actually have an accent mark over the 'e'? The only place I've seen it used is unofficially, on the adventchildren.net forums. Can someone verify this for me? -Elena 05:12, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Her name has never been romanized officially. However, the proper pronunciation is how it would be pronounced with an accent mark. Just like "Namine" in Kingdom Hearts, which was romanized by SE as Naminé. As a result, it's probably a good idea to accent Elfe as well. Don't want people thinking it's pronounced "Elf", now, do we? There's already enough people out there who can't even pronounce Tifa or Cait Sith correctly. --; WtW-Suzaku 02:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

True enough. Reverted. - 68.252.216.224 23:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello My name is Quatre (dont ask)I was wondering what you can get BC for, because the Turks are great =) and I cant acess any web sites that relate to it except this one because my computer is well rubish. so could you help me out and you can delete this whenever you want. And how can I join this website coz I am a HUGE FF fan but no one to talk to. Quatre R Winner 9:59, 2 May 2006

[edit] episode titles

is there any place where I could find the titles of each of the episodes in Before Crisis?

http://www.xthost.info/ffwebnovel/ has titles for all twenty-five, I believe. Elena 17:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moved titles from hyphons to colons for subtitles

For the following reasons:

• The use of hyphons, dashes, tildes, etc. is a non-standard English practice of handling subtitles. It is a Japanese practice. This is the English Wikipedia, and MOS states to follow common English grammar. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks): "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment".
• The above phrase of "even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment" invalidates whatever Square "officially" uses since it's not normal.
• Pretty much everyone who's not an otaku fanboy (not that's anything wrong with that) uses colons for these titles. IGN is just one example, but there's plenty where that came from.
• Here's the kicker: there's not even any hyphon/dashes in the logos. Since it's not even replicating that, it makes it pure Japanese-English.

I am quite confident that my moves support Wiki guidelines, and I also know that at least one other user supports such moves (User:Kariteh) but I suggest that anyone who feels strongly enough otherwise to strike up a survey and we can debate it. --SeizureDog 16:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with your move, SeizureDog. Axem Titanium reverted you without discussing. I want to avoid a move war, so I'm not reverting. Unless there are objections it should be moved to the colon-subtitled name again. —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-03-08 14:13Z

Since I don't like moving things twice, I would ask that if a fourth person (me, User:Kariteh, User:Quarl) being three) also agrees that they please move the page back to the colon title. If a second person aside from User:Axem Titanium (or Axem) disagrees, then I ask for them to please explain how they feel the dashed titled follows MOS guidelines and should be kept. Remember, "I like it better this way" is not a reason, we need established guidelines cited.--SeizureDog 14:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

This discussion is continued here. Axem Titanium 15:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)