Talk:Bay Ridge, Brooklyn
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[edit] Page looks good
Whoever cleaned this up did a nice job. Taking out links that are not Bay Ridge specific was a good idea. This page should just be for the community, not political or religious.
[edit] Unbiased
I made some edits to reflect the anti-Arab tinge of the most recent edit. Bay Ridge is a diverse neighborhood, not a predominatly Catholic neighborhood with small Arab minorities. It seems that this page needs to be closely monitored becuase anti-Arabs sentiment, as well as pro-Arab boasting, seems to be bickering back-and-forth. My guess is that racists on both sides are trying to get their points across.
[edit] Clean up
This article is in need of some serious NPOV clean up. It is littered with statements that are biased and is not written in an encyclopaedic tone. Páll (Die pienk olifant) 09:19, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree, this article is in need of major editing...that is not representative of Bay Ridge. How is the section on the Islamic Society of Bay Ridge to be considered an encyclopedia entry on a neighborhood?! Arabs make up a small part of the population of Bay Ridge, yet someone gave them their own section...if you're going to do that then you need to write a section on the Irish, Norwegian, Italian, and Greeks of the neighborhood too.
[edit] Islamic Society of Bay Ridge
I would be more than happy to remove the portion about the Islamic Society of Bay Ridge. I've researched and written another article, directly related to this topic, called Shahawar Matin Siraj describing the attempted subway plot of 34th Street Herald Square. However, I feel that this entire issue, however controversial, is simply a conservative-liberal debate:
- The Anti-Arab Sentiment I was able to describe was real and did occur. It has since been deleted by a more conservative user who felt that this was an inaccurate description of the neighborhood sentiment or the attempt of a user to portray the neighborhood in a more negative sense.
- Likewise, the Islamic Society of Bay Ridge was also deleted several times because it "lacked adequate facts." I disagree because I have factual evidence to the contrary, quoting New York Times articles. The same is true of the Anti-Arab sentiment, but no one was willing to side with the New York Times article that I showed as proof. Why someone would want to have one but not the other is rather clear in my mind, but I would like an explanation about why the two positions are not accurate and not deserving of their place on this article.
Concerning the Islamic Society of Bay Ridge, it would probably do best if given a separate article, and, as it received great media coverage following 9/11, I think it is of sufficient importance to do so. Looking at other articles, I do not see as much contemporary politics as I do in this one, confirming my suspicions that the Islamic Society of Bay Ridge section would be best in another article.
However, as a provision to future editors, I strongly urge you to read and research the topic before you act emotionally and delete my work. I provide a strong case in all that I write and encourage others to do the same. Sincerely, --Screwball23 talk 22:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Links
I see that there is some fighting about the links. Please remember that Wikipedia is not a links repository. It is an encyclopedia. All links should be informative, and by that I mean telling you more about the neighborhood. Photo sites are fine, and forums are fine. Advertising and politics are not. The page is not being ruined by taking out links, because the article is not about the links, it is about the information being presented directly on the page. Which, I may add, could be better. -- Lampbane 18:41, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Middle Class
I changed "working class" in the first sentence of the "Life" section to "middle class." Bay Ridge is most definitely a middle class neighborhood, a kind that's becoming less and less common in Brooklyn (hence the second part of that sentence is correct). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 162.83.151.57 (talk) 07:51, 19 January 2007 (UTC).
