Template talk:Battletoads series
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[edit] Characters
So, should the characters be included?--TBCΦtalk? 06:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- No. Use a category for every single related article. Navboxes are for the top-level articles, not every single character, list, place, and whatnot. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:55, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- But aren't articles on main characters considered "top-level articles" as well? For example, Mario plays a very significant role in the Mario series.--TBCΦtalk? 07:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- Note that the articles for Luigi, Bowser, and Princess Peach aren't linked in {{Mario series}}. Mario is only linked because the article about the character doubles as the article about the series as a whole. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- That's only because a seperate template, {{Mario characters}}, was created.--TBCΦtalk? 07:07, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- And that template's a bad idea. Why do we need another transcluded list when these characters are already listed in multiple places and linked in each of the articles where relevant and in the category? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- The whole entire purpose of a template is to be able to navigate through pages without having to look through numerous categories or lists or links.--TBCΦtalk? 07:12, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- No, the purpose of a template is to transclude a list of the articles in an article series. If you want everything and the kitchen sink, that's what a category is for. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not implying that everything should be linked to on a navigational template; only links to major topics such as a series' main games and characters.--TBCΦtalk? 07:18, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- The whole entire purpose of a template is to be able to navigate through pages without having to look through numerous categories or lists or links.--TBCΦtalk? 07:12, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- And that template's a bad idea. Why do we need another transcluded list when these characters are already listed in multiple places and linked in each of the articles where relevant and in the category? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- That's only because a seperate template, {{Mario characters}}, was created.--TBCΦtalk? 07:07, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- Note that the articles for Luigi, Bowser, and Princess Peach aren't linked in {{Mario series}}. Mario is only linked because the article about the character doubles as the article about the series as a whole. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- But aren't articles on main characters considered "top-level articles" as well? For example, Mario plays a very significant role in the Mario series.--TBCΦtalk? 07:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
This is silly. The main characters are palette swaps of each other. In the course of four games, each villain might have a dozen lines. These are not story-driven games; the characters are far from important topics in them. The articles don't even establish any sort of notability. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:20, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- The main characters are important topics as they are representative of the game series that they are featured in. This includes Cloud of the Final Fantasy series or Sonic of the Sonic the Hedgehog series.--TBCΦtalk? 07:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- Final Fantasy is heavily story-driven. So is Sonic, in recent years. Battletoads isn't. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- The depth of the plotlines in the Sonic series is no more different that those in the Battletoads series. For example, the plotline of Sonic Rivals. --TBCΦtalk? 07:33, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- Not convinced. The bulk of the Sonic character articles is from the (surprisingly story-heavy) animated series and long-running comics. Battletoads and its sequels are story-thin brawlers. These articles are not crucial reading. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- The Battletoads series also has a comic series based on it. --TBCΦtalk? 07:40, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- Hm. A comic series that appeared only as an extra in one issue of Nintendo Power. You're reaching. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- There was also an animated cartoon.--TBCΦtalk? 07:45, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- A failed pilot. This is weak. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:46, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- There's also been numerous trading cards and action figures. Either way, these forms of media (regardless of how successful they were), still give a description on the character's background.--TBCΦtalk? 07:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- In the 90s, there were a number of attempted character franchises, the vast majority of which failed. Using the successful ones (Sonic) as examples doesn't work when you're talking about one of the failed ones. Try adding some content to the character articles (right now, they're nothing but poorly-written direct observations of the games themselves, flunking WP:FICT and WP:WAF miserably) before trying to link to them in a visible place. Something tells me there isn't any to find, though. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:55, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- There's also been numerous trading cards and action figures. Either way, these forms of media (regardless of how successful they were), still give a description on the character's background.--TBCΦtalk? 07:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- A failed pilot. This is weak. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:46, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- There was also an animated cartoon.--TBCΦtalk? 07:45, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- Hm. A comic series that appeared only as an extra in one issue of Nintendo Power. You're reaching. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- The Battletoads series also has a comic series based on it. --TBCΦtalk? 07:40, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- Not convinced. The bulk of the Sonic character articles is from the (surprisingly story-heavy) animated series and long-running comics. Battletoads and its sequels are story-thin brawlers. These articles are not crucial reading. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- The depth of the plotlines in the Sonic series is no more different that those in the Battletoads series. For example, the plotline of Sonic Rivals. --TBCΦtalk? 07:33, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- Final Fantasy is heavily story-driven. So is Sonic, in recent years. Battletoads isn't. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
What I'd suggest is merging them all to a list, which would be fine in the template. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- Why not too lists, one for the toads and one for the villains.--TBCΦtalk? 08:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- Because there isn't more than a paragraph or two worth of info on each character. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:13, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
