Talk:Battle of Suomussalmi

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Contents 1 New Analysis Dot 2 Casualties 3 Clean up 4 Trouble with casualty numbers 5 WW II

[edit] New Analysis Dot

I added a small bit of information to the analysis, only to give a more full understanding of the various factors leading to Finnish success. Let me know if you have any problems.

-Jclingerman (4/25/06)

[edit] Casualties

Hi,

Just some notices. Soviets lost more than 40 000 troops in this battle. Only 5000 out of 48 000 men of the 9th Army made it back to Soviet Union. Two divisions (163rd and 44th) and one ski brigade were totally destroyed.

The battle was a great humiliation to the mighty Red Army which had not gone trough this kind of defied before. And as much it was humiliation for RA it was a glorious victory for Finnish Defence Forces.

Best wishes,

OJ from Finland

Ski brigade?? Tank brigade is right, I think... Cinik 62.209.237.4 08:25, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up

I just cleaned up the grammer a bit in the Battle section. I do not believe I changed anything of what the author intended to say. I think that the word 'trace' is not what was intended, but could not figure out what should be there. Also, there is mention of the Finns destroying a village. Is this Raat? It is not clear from the text. PerlKnitter 15:10, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Trouble with casualty numbers

Can anyone find verifiable sources for the casualties? The amount of soviet dead was just changed from 16000-35000 to c. 22500 - which seems somewhat suspicious, but I can find even fewer sources for the former numbers than for the latter (though one refers to it as a conservative estimate). Additionally, the article currently cites Finnish losses as 350 KIA, which seems a bit low, and some reports I've found speak of about 900 with over a thousand wounded. It's true enough that specific figures for the Soviet side are not available, due to the circumstances. --Kizor 00:52, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

This link http://www.winterwar.com/Battles/Suomussalmi2.htm gives 5000 killed or wounded for the Soviets not 27K and gives this for the Finns 350 KIA, 600 wounded and 70 missing —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.249.112.176 (talk) 02:36, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

Sorry, but link http://www.winterwar.com/Battles/Suomussalmi2.htm gives not this! He gives 5000 bodies, that was found in area Suomussalmi-Alassalmi 1)this area is full deep forrest - many bodies was not found 2) this is not all area of battle 3) this is only tail battle - without battle on Raate road, diferent from this article. On Raateroad was totaly destroyed 44th division and 21th tank brigade. Cinik 09:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WW II

Winter War is often acepted as part of WWII. Soviet Union was ally of Germany in this time an his expansion is part of WWII. And factor, that somebody do not agree with this, is not relevant reason for displacing this article from category, who somebody was this article search. Cinik 14:50, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I need sources. Winter War currently stands as a contemporary war to World War II. Until that changes, we can't change any of the battles. Oberiko 16:37, 10 February 2006 (UTC)