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Contents 1 Comment 2 This part does not make any sense. 3 Number of Greece Army 4 Results?

[edit] Comment

In the Results section, the sentence "After losing battles at western Anatolia in a row, a few months later the Greek army left Eastern Thrace to the Turks as well, without any combat." fails to mention the important Armistice of Mudanya. In it, eastern Thrace up to the Maritsa River and the city of Adrianople were handed by Greece to Turkey along with recognition of Turkish sovereignty of Istanbul and the Straits at Chanak, which were later finalized at the Conference of Lausanne. --Xenophonos 16:49, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This part does not make any sense.

"The Greek front line ran West-East along difficult hilly ground, easily defensible, with high hills called tepes rising out of broken terrain."

I'm guessing the term "tepe" here is referring to the Turkish word "tepe", which means hill. The word in Turkish is not used to describe a particular kind of hill. Technically, the term used for an elevated landscape which has a peak with an elevation less than 500 metres (anything higher is reffered to as a mountain).

[edit] Number of Greece Army

In total, the number of the soldiers in Greece Army was 300.000 whereas the number of the soldiers in Turkish army was around 200.000. However, in this article, the number of the Greece Soldiers is shown as 60.000 and it is totally wrong.

After Venizelos had completed his efforts to justify the Greek operations, Clemenceau once more reminded him, "Greece had had a mandate from the Conference and had not kept within the limits of that mandate." He asked Venizelos, "What would happen if the Turkish attacks should increase and if Greece could, without the support of her allies, make the necessary military and financial effort until such time when the country would be completely pacified." Venizelos replied, "Greece had an army of 12 divisions with 325,000 men, an army stronger than it was at the time of the Armistice. Mustafa Kemal had only 70,000 men".

Source: Documents on British Foreign Policy, First Series, Vol. I. London, His Majesty’s Stationery Office, 1974 -- Dandanakan 16:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I changed the numbers to 200,000 against 100,000(approx.). I also changed the casualties of the Turkish side because it was totally wrong(80,000). Turkish side maybe lost 40,000(maximum) soldiers in the whole Indipendence war. With respect, Deliogul 20:13, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Please cite your sources.

Huh? A Greek army of 300.00? That is insane, Greece had less than 200.000 troops in Asia Minor! AlexiosComenos

[edit] Results?

• I think author of results section pushing POV. Burning of Izmir (Smyrna) should be cited. As far as I know, city is burned because of the chaos caused by running Greek soldiers (some historians claim that it is an accident caused by a Greek that paniced, some claim that Greeks delibrately burned the city). In my opinion, it doesn't make sense to burn a city that you conquered so claiming that Turks burned the city do not make sense. Neutrality of this article is disputed and a reviewal is required.Ugur Olgun 19:08, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• Author was :87.203.238.83 Ugur Olgun 19:19, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• "The Turks chased the fleeing Greeks 250 miles to Izmir, which was burned by the Turkish forces as the Greek army and civilian population fled or were massacred." changed to "The Turks chased the fleeing Greeks 250 miles to Izmir, which was burned as the Greek army and civilian population fled."

because the lack of referances to massacre and burning by Turks.Ugur Olgun 19:19, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• • There are different theories as to who started the fire. One of them is that Turkish soldiers started the fire in the Armenian and Greek quarters of the city, see Great Fire of Smyrna for more details. Anyways, we don't know for sure so I agree that it's better not to not point fingers at anyone in the article, and just say "the fire started". —Khoikhoi 19:31, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• • • In history, a great many cities have been razed after they were conquered by some of the most brilliant generals in history. So while it might not make sense to some people, there is a form of rationality behind such acts; especially if that city is occupied by a different ethnic group. --Xenophonos 18:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Such as? Armanalp 18:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)