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Reading the Iaido talk page, it looks like this was once before merged with iaido. At the risk of repeating history, though, if it's a separate martial art, it seems like it should have its own page (rather than a "this is often confused with something else that doesn't have a page" blurb). --Eric's penguin 05:01, 6 October 2005 (UTC)


i agree, this has its own roots that are separate from Iaido, but maybe someone could do more research to add to the article so it doesn't look like a small waste of server --User:Firstdandude 02:26, 9 September 2006 (CT)

I agree. "Jutsu" is technique and "do" is way. While iaido and battojutsu may both be elements of Japanese Swordsmanship, they are separate activities and should remain separate in Wikipedia. Kendo 66 12:07, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Most of the part at the end talking about Rurouni Kenshin is crud. The RK version of battojutsu involves pressing the blade of the katana against the curve of the sheath to increase draw speed. This might be fine for Kenshin, because of his reverse-blade sword, but if you tried this with a real Katana, the blade would cut straight through the sheath and probably take a few fingers with it. It happens all the time to inexperienced Iaido practioners who try and use a shinken. Also, some of the "Comparison with Iaido" section is a little bit questionable.

I strongly agree that the "Comparison with Iaido" section is way off. I did not change it because I wanted to raise the issue here first. The "only for defense" thing about Battojutsu is completely wrong, and has no observable basis in reality. The commentary about western gunfighting - though relatively correct technically - seems to have a tennor which is not really correct for Wikipedea (IMO). Perhaps most importantly, everything about this section which is not simply incorrect is stated more clearly and more usefully in the Etymology section. Most importantly the author of this paragraph does not seem to correctly understand the difference in meaning between Iaido and Iaijutsu, which makes the entire paragraph even more confusing for those not already knowledgable in the subject.

I also added a section entitled "outside of Japan" with the intent of giving readers a sense for how few Battojutsu schools do exist in and outside of Japan, and also what those schools might be that are available. I added those schools with which I am personally familiar, I would invite others to add other Ryuha. I did not list names and addresses of individual dojo as that seemed inapropriate for the list, Google can help interested parties find those. I did not add "Shinkendo". The reason for this was that though I have heard that Mr. Obata has refered to his Shinkendo style as Battojutsu, I am not aware if this particular term is really accurate - as I am not knowledgable about the actual curriculum of that school. Perhaps someone who is a current or former student of Shinkendo can add either Shinkendo, or the aproprate progenitor school if such a school exists (Nakamura Ryu?). If Shinkendo turns out to be a contentious topic for some reason, we could discuss it here first before editing. Therealadrian 13:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

It's my understanding that Shinkendo is based on more than one style.

[edit] Naming of the various japanese ryu and other names

Make sure you put in the right name for a wiki-link. As an example: both Muso Shinden-ryu and Musō Jikiden Eishin Ryū have their own seperate article, but they are incorrectly linked in this article. Fred26 11:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

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