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Contents 1 Adoption 2 Your vote on the beer and breweries categories 3 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 4 Dublin Port Tunnel 5 Translation 6 Gaelic/Irish Republic 7 Stats 8 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 9 Servant of God 10 Personal Attacks on British Isles 11 Fingal 12 British Isles 13 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 14 Volunteer Mediation 15 The end of the mediation cabal on the term Volunteer is ending in two days. 16 Volunteer issue 17 Martin McCaughey 18 Political pov 19 CN 20 List of casualties 21 Flag of Northern Ireland debate 22 Unsigned template 23 Omagh bombing names 24 Ireland 25 Ireland Demography 26 British Isles 27 Thing 28 Editions 29 Talk page 30 No prob 31 Hattrick 32 Illegetimacy and the Catholic Church

[edit] Adoption

Although we may have some disagreements over the Adoption article, I've since reviewed your edits and have come to appreciate your work. Your writing is very clean - a quality I admire disproportionately! Thank you for your good work. Danlovejoy 03:01, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your vote on the beer and breweries categories

I agree with you on the continent categories, but voting oppose here won't remove them, and will just help to preserve all the existing inconsistencies. If you support the main thrust of the proposal, which is to standardise the thrust of the categories, (and you haven't said you don't) could you please consider amending your vote to support and then coming back with nominations for any specific categories you have issues with? If everyone who has problems with a few specifics votes to "oppose all" - including the good parts - none of this mess will get fixed. Osomec 23:39, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Dublin Port Tunnel

Thanks for your comments. Much appreciated. Nelson50 20:06, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Translation

Hi, you have recently added Irish on my languges page, Can you put my full name on it please plus the translation, Thanks!!

Abdullah Geelah 19:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gaelic/Irish Republic

The reason why the terms seem so odd is because certainly the vast majority of Irish people would call the language Irish. It is very rarely referred to in Ireland as gaelic, though I suppose it depends on the school. As to Irish Republic, that is normally a major no-no. It is the name of the Republic in existence between 1919 and 1922. Britain until recent times controversially called the Irish state the Irish Republic because they interpreted Republic of Ireland as suggesting there was no other Ireland and so a denial of Northern Ireland's existence. It is a weird interpretation on its part but such a touchy topic that for example, while the Irish state will accept Letters of Credence accrediting ambassadors using Republic of Ireland, Ireland or the President's name (e.g., President McAleese) it refuses point blank to accept anything with the words "Irish Republic" on it and is liable to send them back with a demand for an apology. Irish Republic and Éire are the two no-nos which cause offence (though people understand that people using those formats may not intend offence, so usually they are politely told not to use either format). Usually Irish Republic or Éire is used by some of the more right wing mid-market British papers like the Express.

But, as I said, it depends on your background and experience. Your school may not have called the language by its normal name ("gaelic" hasn't been used in most schools since the 1920s). Don't worry about it. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 23:59, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

You just seem so out of touch, like being on a different planet. Sorry about it , you did puzzle me, honest! MelForbes 00:16, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stats

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Hey,

You might want to look at talk:Prime minister. The page was moved to the illiterate form Prime minister by a vote of 3 people. A new RM is taking place but the illiterates seem to be queuing to endorse such a crazy move. Feel free to contribute to the debate. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 03:08, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

BTW,if you study my talk page you will see that there is only one request for an apology from guess who TharkunColl and not 5 as you state on the BI talk,page. Actually, you were quite offensive to me about 3 weeks ago. You indirectly referred to me as British hating Irish nationalist, which is quite untrue. I was actually born in Scotland, educated in England and now live in Ireland. And my parentage is English-Scottish and Irish. If I did push the point a little hard at times, well it was to make up the lack of Irish editors willing to put their heads above the parapet.MelForbes 20:52, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Servant of God

Regarding you comment to User:Abdullah Geelah/In many languages..., the translation of "servant of God" in Irish is Giolla Dhé, which actually exists as a surname and is anglicised as Gildea, Gilday, or Kilday.--Damac 18:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal Attacks on British Isles

The way to deal with users who you feel are being difficult is not to make personal attacks (e.g. 'remove that chip from your shoulder'). Please be more careful in future. --Robdurbar 11:29, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fingal

Please read my comments at talk:Fingal before reverting again, by all means provide a citation that "It's an administrative area, not a true county. There are 32 in Ireland, not 35.". Djegan 21:25, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] British Isles

Well, if you say that you are from a British Isle, then you are British, and if you are from Ireland you are Irish. For example, a person from Scotland can identify themselves as British, they can also identify themselves as Scottish. Cheers. MelForbes 20:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

How about saying you are from one of the British Isles? Arcturus 20:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I see Bastun, you are trolling again. And Arcturus, why should one have to be watching how the term is to be expressed? MelForbes 20:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Mel needs to brush up on his English. Bastun is from one of the islands in the British Isles. He can't be from "a British Isle" because that's not how the word "isle" is used. -- Evertype·✆ 22:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Bastun, here I am doing my currencies as usual, and there you are changing the ROI page again. Why should I not revert you. I think that you are politically muddled. Where do yo live? MelForbes 11:30, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I know where one lives is not relevant, you claim that you are an Irish editor. Why are all your inputs into Irish pages mearly "typo edits"? MelForbes 11:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay Bastun, you said once that you lived on the north side of Dublin. Here is a little test for you. Can you tell me quickly the name of a famous pub whose name begins with the letter "Y", and it's on the coast road near Dollymount. MelForbes 11:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, it did take you 10 minutes, so I reserve my judgement. Well,I live in posh Foxrock and i still know of that wateringhole. Don't think they get that fussed in Neilstown. MelForbes 12:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

• Bastun, you have me totally wrong on the BI issue. You say that I do not like the term; well that is wrong for starters. The whole purpose for my edit was to get some NPOV into the first paragraph. There is no legal defination held for the British Isles, and that should be somewhat reflected in the article. Otherwise the article will continue to be debated ad nauseum. My changes were very minor, and there is always scope for betterment. But the point is valid. MelForbes 14:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Volunteer Mediation

Have you reviewed the latest chat on the Volunteer mediation? Things still seem a tad up in the air. You might want to take a look as this will be closing soon Weggie 16:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, still open. Ok - will revert my last edits pending closure. Bastun 16:21, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I was more meaning the mediation decision which has now changed at least three times seemingly so if you have an opinion it may need adding in the mediators section (even if all the arguments have been out) as the mediator seems to be getting railroaded into a decision Weggie 16:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The end of the mediation cabal on the term Volunteer is ending in two days.

The mediation process is ending in two days - you have two days to have you final say and 1. show any proof that Volunteer is a rank and 2. leave your final vote in coming to a consensus here. Thank you.--Vintagekits 22:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Volunteer issue

Thanks. A key to resolving such issues is clarifying and applying policy, whose application can be difficult to discern at times. Tyrenius 20:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Martin McCaughey

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Martin McCaughey, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. Shyam ^(T/C) 07:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Political pov

Bastun, could you please explain why you reverted my edit on the NI article without any discussion or consultation? Thanks. (Sarah777 01:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC))

Hi Sarah. Plain and simple, clarity. The previous version was The remainder of the island of Ireland is governed as a sovereign state, Ireland, also described as the Republic of Ireland. I thought it was a clumsy construction at best and confusing as hell for someone not familiar with the island. The replacement is clearer and accurate. Bastun 10:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CN

The citation notice is in the wrong position. I purposely didn't move it, someone else can do that. Taramoon 12:17, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of casualties

I saw you asked the question as to why this was removed from the M62 coach bombing article. This issue came up about a year ago with regards to the Greysteel massacre, and was discussed on Stubacca's talk page although no actualy conclusion was reached. I agree with you on the issue, I think the information is very relevant, but its quite a contentious problem and there is little consensus.--Jackyd101 14:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I thought the same thing - I think the following are relevent here - Name/Age/Occupation/Regiment (in a table) as it would demonstrate the claim that families were involved and which regiments the army dead came from Weggie 15:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

To expand, I think a list of fatalities from any incident - ranging from a bombing like this to a train crash (for example) - are a good idea where they can be procured. The difficulty is presenting them in a manner which doesn't overwhelm articles with narrative lists. The only solution I can come up with is the one of creating "appendixes" using the method suggested at the bottom of my user page.--Jackyd101 16:45, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flag of Northern Ireland debate

You have been involved in the flag debate on the Northern Ireland talk page. If you remember there were four option listed about the way forward. If you wish you can go here and make your position clear. regards--Vintagekits 21:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unsigned template

Hard to find some of these things. However, if you see a template has been used, then click edit to search the coding, you will usually find the name of the template in there somewhere (some templates transclude other templates, so it's more complex). The one you want is:

{{subst:unsigned|USER NAME}} -- ~~~~

I've added a signature, which is not part of the template as such. "Subst:" means it puts the text permanently on the page. Otherwise it has to call up the template text each time it's accessed - and a change to the template will then change the text that comes up. Most templates should be used with "subst:". Tyrenius 23:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Omagh bombing names

Regarding the link to the list of names, I left a comment at Talk:Omagh_bombing#List_of_names. Thanks.-- Chaser - T 16:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

May as well use this section rather than create a new one. I've just left some suggestions for further improvement of the article in the template on the talk page, not sure if that will come up on your watch list or not. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 12:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ireland

Thanks for your message. Wikipedia is an excellent website but sadly on some subjects it has become a forum for bile, prejudice and ignorance. Many of the sites covering Ireland are sad examples of this. I have tried to get some commesense but have failed so I am not going to bother any more. Ireland is a country. The country's official name is the Republic of Ireland. It is part of the British Isles...and so on. Self important users, for narrow poltical reasons, seek to deny these facts. When entries are corrected (by me or others) they get ignorantly on their high horses and revise entries to conform with their own absurd points of view. It is boring and tedious and a waste of time to try and take them on and I've had enough of it. PaddyBriggs 09:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ireland Demography

Bastun, the Irish people are genetically closely related to those of Spain. Recent research: [1] suggests that much of the current population share close ancestry with the Spanish. In your message to me, you state that the recent Spanish migrations were minute in their demic effect: I agree, and hence I referring to Ireland's Iberian post-glacial heritage above. I will link this into the article to make it clear. Likewise, there is no clear evidence that there is a strong genetic heritage of the Celts in Ireland. This goes against current fashion, so many don't like this. This doesn't change the absence of evidence to support this. I happily acknowlegde the significant contribution of Celtic culture to Irish people - as is mentioned on the 2nd sentence. However, in terms of demography, there is nothing to support a largely Celtic origin. Consequently, I will remove this.Apollo Crua 12:10, 27 March 2007 (GMT)

The demographics section was/is referring to more modern (as in, actually recorded) history, though. Hopefully my latest edit, separating out the post-Ice Age and more modern influences, is acceptable. Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 15:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] British Isles

hi..rather than get lost on the talk page... in more specific response to a question you raised on the BI talk page, I'll refer to what I already said on that page in response to a somewhat similar question from Sony youth.

"Recognised" by the refs, most of which are published outside of Ireland. Even where the authors decided to keep using "British Isles" they recognised that there was an issue with it. "Increasingly" because one ref says so specifically, because Folens and several other Atlases (i think Michelin, Reader's Digest, etc) that used to refer to British Isles no longer do so, because of the Embassy spokesman quotation last year, because of the renaming of The Lions, because of the Guardian article quoted in the BI dispute page, etc. In any case, "recognised as problematic" is for sure; "increasingly" seems pretty darn well supported. It's a way of avoiding "often" & "sometimes" and of avoiding a desire for polls that don't exist either for or against. (BTW, according to Webster, sometimes means "now and then" or "occasionally", which just isn't a reasonable characterisation of the situation). Hughsheehy 15:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC) Hughsheehy 15:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thing

For the god of love, not this again —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seaned (talk • contribs).

[edit] Editions

I'm pretty much used to Wikipedia's ethics and anti-democratic stance, thanks for reminding me of the hipocresy here

--Seaned 18:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk page

Users can delete at will from their talk page, including warnings. If they remove a warning, then they are deemed to have seen it. This has been discussed frequently on forums such as WP:AN. Some users disapprove of this. Removal of warnings can add circumstantial evidence about a user's motivations. It is certainly inappropriate to delete a conversation before it's finished. However, none of this should incur sanctions (though occasionally it does anyway). This has all evolved over the last few months, and in the past it would have been seen as wrong to carry out such deletions. Have a look at WP:TPG and WP:USER, but regardless of what it says there, I have given you the current practice, which is what counts on wiki. If you leave a warning, you might want to make this very clear in the edit summary, as this could be where someone else looks. Tyrenius 22:32, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

If you search WP:AN or WP:AN/I, you'll find relevant discussions, when the matter has been brought up there, and the conclusion was that users can remove material. I know that a lot of people, including some admins, aren't aware of the conclusion of those discussions. Tyrenius 02:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No prob

No prob re: the talk page. I've put it back in. These things happen. Thanks for letting me know. Next time, just stick it back in and forget about it. --sony-youth^talk 12:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hattrick

Hey Bastun, I thought I made an error on the HT article, and so I changed your edit (not realizing that someone had edited it). I wasn't trying to step on toes. What I originally meant about the economy crashing due to a *decrease* the amount of new users is that that leads to less demand for finished players, as teams always train more players than they can use. Hope I didn't offend! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Benmor78 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Illegetimacy and the Catholic Church

Your information on illegitimacy and the Catholic Church is wrong...see the De Valera talk page for a citation from the Catholic Encyclopedia. He could have had a Church career by entering a religious order. I posted that info on talk at the same time I removed the incorrect information from the article. --Samuel J. Howard 03:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)