Wikipedia:Barnstar and award proposals/Archive6

The following is an archived discussion. Please do not modify it. Result of the discussion was PROPOSAL ABANDONED. Deryck C. 15:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Investigators Barnstar

This is to be a copper colored Barnstar that has a Classic Magnifying glass in the center. To be awarded to those who go way beyond just finding vandals, sockpuppets, meatpuppets. To be given when the usual barnstar is not enough in this catagory. Martial Law 04:47, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

How about also being used for users who track down and verify/refute unsourced claims. I know a few users who regularly go to university libraries in their pursuit of making this a better encyclopedia. They're certainly deserving of this award. But first I would like to see a proposed image before I voted on this Barnstar. In addition, might I make the suggestion that you change the name to "The Sherlock Holmes Barnstar". --Cyde Weys _vote^talk 04:57, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

First, off, It needs to stay in the proposals, not its own section. Second, its not a bad idea. It would be well served as a barnstar for those who confirm/debunk questionable or unverified content in leiu of simply tagging it for others to handle (a practice I so greatly detest). Currently aknowledgements for this are only with the general barnstar or one specific to the article's general category, and they are few and far between. I dont think countervandalism and sockpuppet handling is an apropriate purpose for it, at least not under its current name. I suppose sometimes it would though as advanced cases can require a good deal of investigation. I'd say both cases work as they both regard heavy investigation into questionable content. I can think of a couple users who already deserve it.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 07:45, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I wonder if Defender of the Wiki can be expanded to cover this? --Deathphoenix 06:35, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I'll have to concur. The Defender of the Wiki barnstar should cover this. -MegamanZero|Talk 16:10, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I like the idea of this barnstar, but I'm forced to agree. This is a good thing for Defender to cover. – ClockworkSoul 22:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

"Sherlock Holmes" Barnstar it is, and to be given to help in certain Wikipedia matters. Martial Law 02:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Can also be given to help verify or disprove articles in Wikipedia. Martial Law 02:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

The following is an archived discussion. The result of the discussion was Wikiwings kept as a project award and added to PUA.

[edit] Wikiwings

The wikiwings are styled after military flight wings, and awarded to anyone who makes extensive, high-quality, or generally valued contributions to the area of aviation on wikipedia. They awarded by anyone, to anyone, in a barnstar-like fashion.

The wikiwings award is styled after Rlandmann's wikiwings award, and were officially adopted by WikiProject Aircraft on October 29, 2005.

This was originally placed on Wikipedia:Barnstars on Wikipedia, but I moved it here to open it for discussion. Any thoughts? Sango123 (talk) 19:53, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello all, I am the goof who originally placed this on the official page - I wasn't aware of this page (which is rather silly since it is common sense that new awards would have to be vetted). Anyways, much the logic for this award and discussion surrounding its creation can be found at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aircraft. The bottom line is that several of our project participants felt a need for some sort of award in this area, and this seemed like the best solution. While Rlandmann's original wikiwings were good, they didn't quite fulfill our desires (it was awarded once monthly instead of as needed, and was criticized aesthetically). So this is what we came up with. We'd still like to call it wikiwings, and given its non-barnstar-related title, we chose the wikisphere instead of a barnstar for the centre. So there it is... -Lommer | ^talk 04:20, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I really like the image, but think it should be an award for general military contributions or something to that effect. Or maybe 'contributions to modern warfare-related articles'. The reason is that many military units like paratroopers or even naval commandos, often use wings. -- Ynhockey 00:38, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree with the proposal to apply an award for general military contributions, but I think it might need a more general image for that purpose. I'd certainly support a Military Barnstar, or, I dunno, a Barnstar General award maybe. - Dalziel 86 13:29, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Keep in mind that the wikiwings is not related to military contributions. While a lot of articles of the Project Aircraft deals with warplanes, missiles, and such, a large proportion of aircrafts are civilian. It may be useful to have a Barnstar for military contributions, but that's an other topic, the wikiwings would primary award articles on general aviation. --Sylvain Mielot 19:11, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to echo Syvain's thoughts; as an example, we've encouraged wikiprojects airlines and airports to adopt the wikiwings award - these projects focus almost exclusively on civilian avaiation. -Lommer | ^talk 22:39, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I think one of the strengths of the award as it stands is that it's pretty flexible. It's not a barnstar per se, so it can be adapted to whatever purpose, within limits. I agree with Lommer and Sylvain that it shouldn't be restricted to the military, but conversely there's no reason it shouldn't also be used to recognise military contributions, until something better comes along.--Xiphon 17:08, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

The scope is too narrow. It would be pretty good if it's a PUA. Deryck C. 08:11, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but what's a PUA? Also, I disagree that the scope is too narrow. There is a lot of aviation articles on wikipedia (airports, airlines, aircraft, history, military aviation, aerospace engineering, flight crew concepts and trainging are just a few areas) and some sort of award is appropriate. Given that there is a clear demand (requests from users) for something to acknowledge contributions in these areas, I think wikiwings is perfect. -Lommer | ^talk 18:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

PUA = Personal User Award nae'blis _(talk) 02:16, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Too narrow? ericg ✈ 17:24, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

This discussion has stagnated for a while now; what do we do to move forward with this award? People have already started awarding it btw... -User:Lommer | ^talk 02:25, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

It is a bit narrow, but it's not a "barnstar" so much as an "award". Even still, I think it would do best as a PUA. – ClockworkSoul 07:33, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I still think "narrow" is harsh, but whatever. Can we make this a "PUA" of wikiproject aircraft instead of any one user? The project members have already approved it as their official award. If so, where do we list it, and how do we formally call the proposal process "closed". -User:Lommer | ^talk 07:44, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Don't mean to sound harsh: I only mean "narrow" in the sense that it only applies to a single relatively specialized field. Also, you can absolutely have "project" awards: I know that the Kindness Campaign a kind of award that it gives out, for example. – ClockworkSoul 07:48, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

False, aviation includes the Voyager probe, this award would include anything artificialy created that flies with its own power. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 10:18, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Regardless of the debate about scope (can't really be settled as its a matter of opinion IMO), should we just call this closed and make it a project award? Do we need to list anywhere other than the project page? -User:Lommer | ^talk 19:37, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

There are no strict rules about project awards, so it's perfectly fine to just let this live on the project page. – ClockworkSoul 21:01, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Can we give WikiWheels to the vandals? Hexagonal 05:58, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

The following is the archive of an ended debate. Please don't modify the content. The result of the debate is proposal abandoned. The laugh point added to PUA.

[edit] The Laugh Point

On an internet forum I frequent, we have developed the tradition of awarding laugh points to other posters when they make us laugh. It's an informal sort of thing, and is generally conveyed by responding to the poster, quoting the humorous portion of the poster's message, and saying "Have a laugh point" or some similar sort of phrasing.

I would like to cross-pollinate that tradition here to Wikipedia, and in that spirit I have made the image you see to the left. This award is to be handed out to any Wikipedian who makes you laugh with some sort of trenchant observation, dry wit, wet wit, or other humorous comment. → Ξxtreme Unction {^yakł_blah} 16:47, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I like the idea, but I think there needs to be some way of distinguishing it from the Good Humor Barnstar. Can you explain further? --Nlu 18:46, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

According to the description for the Good Humor Barnstar: The Barnstar of Good Humor may be awarded to particularly light-spirited Wikipedians who, by their unshakably good humor, consistently and reliably lighten the mood, defuse conflicts, and make the Wikipedia a generally better place to be.

I interpret that (perhaps erroneously) to mean that consistency is important. The Good Humor Barnstar, from the description, is awarded to those who have demonstrated a consistent sense of humor over time.

The Laugh Point, by contrast, is given to anybody, at any time, as long as they've made you laugh. They might be the crankiest bastard on Wikipedia at all other times, but they made you laugh THIS time. So, voila, give 'em a laugh point. And who knows? Maybe that'll encourage 'em to try and be less cranky in the future. → Ξxtreme Unction {^yakł_blah} 18:55, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I placed this on SPUI's page but he complained that the picture "wasn't funny". To be quite honest, I agree. It looks like something from an awful Web forum.

If anyone can come up with something better (at right is a pitiable attempt), let's see it. Ashibaka tock 19:51, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, the picture itself doesn't have to be funny, necessarily, since the goal is simply to indicate that someone else made you laugh. However, I will be the first to admit that I have all the artistic vision of a blocked nostril, so I certainly encourage others with more artistic ability to improve upon (or ignore altogether in favor of something better) my creation.

That said, the use of "LOL" in anything other than an ironic, mockingly self-aware context makes me cringe. =) → Ξxtreme Unction {^yakł_blah} 19:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Is there some obstacle in the way of just saying "hahaha, that was pretty funny man"? Why does all human conversation and discussion on Wikipedia has to be transformed into a systematized series of colored boxes and graphics? Whatever happened to the lost art of conversation? Are we no longer capable of complimenting one another and expressing heartfelt appreciation without turning it into a game of "who has the most imaginary awards"? What we gain in efficiency, do we not lose in our very humanity?! Aeeeeeeeaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! -Silence 09:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

The following is the archive of an ended discussion. Please don't edit the contents. The result of the debate was proposal declined. No further actions taken.

[edit] Anti Vandal Barnstar

This is to be similar to the "Deletionist" Barnstar Award, only that you have a small to medium pix of a M-16 w/grenade launcher in it. To be given to those who are good to excellent in dealing with vandalisim in Wikipedia.Martial Law 08:11, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

We already have an anti-vandalism barnstar, the RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar. --Deathphoenix 12:02, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

The following is the archive of an ended discussion. Please don't modify the contents. The debate's result was proposal declined. No further actions taken.

[edit] Team Barnstar

A gold Barnstar. To be given to Wikipedia itself by Martial Law for helping me crush a really nasty rumor concerning the DC Character Wonder Woman. The rumor concerned a lawsuit allegedly designed to be launched @ DC Comics should they quit using this character. Found out, via Wikipedia's Wikis that this is no longer the case. Appreciate the help Wikipedia.Martial Law 08:11, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

There's already a gold barnstar, but that's for sports articles. You are welcome to design a personal user award for this purpose. I'd suggest you look in the history of the articles in question and find out who removed this information, then award a barnstar to that person. :-) The original barnstar or a WikiThanks might also suffice. --Deathphoenix 12:15, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

The following is the archive of an ended discussion. Please do not modify the contents. Result of the discussion was proposal declined. The "Barnstar Star" is put onto PUA.

[edit] The Barnstar Barnstar

Everything you need to know about this is located on its image page. I was bold and added it to the list of barnstars, but that got reverted, so here I am. --Cyde Weys _vote^talk 18:16, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Not a bad idea. The description reminds me a bit of the Tireless Contributor Barnstar, but I think this award would make a nice addition under Topical barnstars. Any thoughts? Sango123 (talk) 18:46, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

This hilarious barnstar might make a good topical barnstar. Actually, earlier on, I was awarded with the Barnstar of Diligence, which covers this as well. The Barnstar Barnstar would do fine as a topical award, or as a personal user award. --Deathphoenix 22:45, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Anyways, since this is in the proposals now, I might as well give some feedback... you might want to replace the white pixels around the smaller barnstar with brown- or rust-coloured pixels. --Deathphoenix 22:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

How about the two images to the right? Sango123 (talk) 23:51, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

The new version without the drop shadow is my favorite. —Lifeisunfair 23:59, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. Drop shadows tend to look worse when set against a dark background because transparency settings can be set for white but now for a gradient, and some users have a dark user page. --Deathphoenix 00:11, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I believe it should be used as a PUA and nothing else. I dread to think of the day when people start creating barnstars to get the barnstar barnstar ;) Seriously though, we already have a barnstar for artictic excellence (photographers) that can be given to these creators. Barnstar of diligence is also appropriate. I dread to think of the day when people would start creating barnstars for contribs in each namespace etc. --Gurubrahma 05:44, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I honestly and truly hope nobody would care so much about receiving a meaningless award as to create other meaningless awards to receive it. And yes, I'll admit this award is kind of funny, but not everything on Wikipedia needs to be deadly serious. I don't see why it would be demoted to a personal user award ... it is a barnstar, after all. In fact, it's two barnstars. --Cyde Weys _vote^talk 21:11, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually the current images are saved as PNGs which do support a full alpha channel allowing gradients of transparency. --Cyde Weys _vote^talk 21:11, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, a long time ago, my proposal for a barnstar to award people who got their user pages vandalised was rejected because it might encourage people to bait vandals into vandalising user pages, which is definitely not desired behaviour. I can see the other people's points. We don't want people making barnstars just so they can get one for themselves. This barnstar is probably best as a personal user award. There are plenty of PUAs that have "barnstars" in them. --Deathphoenix 15:57, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I like the new designs over the first one I came up with. Bravo to you guys for your work. I knew the white pixel borders weren't attractive, but I didn't really know what to do about them. --Cyde Weys _vote^talk 21:11, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmm... this may be just to far. Honestly, we have too many barnstars as it is, and now a barnstar to reward... barnstars? Not only is the subject of this star adequately covered by existing stars and something of a solution in search of a problem, but it has a subtle odor of self-congratulation that I'm not entirely comfortable with. I'm afraid I have to oppose. – ClockworkSoul 15:53, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Oppose - Wikipedia is not LiveJournal. Phil Sandifer 15:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

The following is the archive of an ended discussion. Please don't modify it. Result of the discussion was proposal declined. Upholder of Wiki remained as a general award and added to PUA.

[edit] Upholders of the Wiki

Can I purpose this barnstar for exceptional and distinguished contributions on wikipedia?--Jcw69 06:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

• It gets my support. - RoyBoy ⁸⁰⁰ 06:46, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
• It gets my support too. I initially proposed the title "Order of the Upholders of the Wiki" as a term for administrators, whose job it is to uphold the processes of Wikipedia and keep everything running smoothly. However, I really like Jcw69's proposal for a Barnstar award (and the image looks great), so I'd like to offer my two cents on what I think the award should be for. Basically, I think this award should be given to those who exemplify the best of what Wikipedia stands for, in all aspects. By this I mean that not only do they appear to contribute valuable, informative and accurate articles, but that they are actively and positively involved in all spheres of Wikipedia, such as Village Pump discussions, VfD, vandalism watching, RfC etc, and most importantly that they contribute with a cool head and a measured temperament throughout. So for example, an editor (Admin or not), who does all these things, who is helpful to new users, and who takes part in otherwise heated article content discussions with a view to finding a fair and just solution while trying to tone down the rhetoric, would meet the requirements for this award. — Impi 14:23, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose in the current form as The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar covers much of the ground proposed. The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar, The Barnstar of Diligence, The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar, Wiki Wiffle Bat, The Cool as a Cucumber Award and The Barnstar of Good Humor cover the remaining ground, imo. I am sure that we do not want too many awards and that each award that is constituted be given to all the deserving. My oppose vote is on the lack of clarity. However, I really like the picture and the effort though. Can it be modified to give it to some other category?
  e.g. We have a FA medal, Photographer's barnstar and Current Affairs barnstar. But we don't have a DYK (Did You Know) barnstar, which is the only content of main page to lack a barnstar. Can this be modified to make it specific as a DYK barnstar? (discussion on the same going on above). Similarly there may be other areas which are inadequately represented - e.g. We may institute this for edits in other namespaces etc.
  I know that I'm not coming up with a solution but I'd like the community to discuss alternate areas where this can be awarded rather than crowding an area that is adequately rewarded. Thanks, --Gurubrahma 16:20, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose. Looks pretty good, but there are many barnstars that already cover the wide area of "exceptional and distinguished contributions", such as the Barnstar of Diligence, Defender of the Wiki, and, of course, the Original Barnstar. --Deathphoenix 15:45, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose - I agree with Gurubrahma and Deathphoenix, but please note that Upholders of the Wiki always has a place at Wikipedia:Personal user awards. Thanks, Sango123 (talk) 17:19, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

People are voting on awards?! Don't bother putting these up for vote; if you want to use them, use them. You don't have to ask anyone! Dan100 (Talk) 08:59, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

The following is the archive of an ended discussion. Please do not modify it. The result of the discussion was proposal abandoned, no action taken.

[edit] Sergeant Barnstar

This is to be a depiction of a USMC Master Sgt. insignia that has a barnstar in it. To be given to Wikipedians who actually follow Wikipedia protocol. Martial Law 08:30, 31 January 2006 (UTC) :)

The following is an archived discussion. Please do not modify it. The result of the discussion was Golden WikiAward created at PUA. Deryck C. 16:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Golden Wikiaward (from Italian Wiki)

It is currently in use on the Italian Wiki, and I recently discovered the image through commons. Upon my revealtion on IRC it was promptly awarded to JoanneB [3] so I therefore suggest we make full use of it. Ian¹³_ID:540053 19:56, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh thats shiney, I likee! -Ravedave 20:01, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. I like it. — FireFox • T • 20:59, 21 January 2006

It's a beautiful image, but what would this be awarded for that Barnstars don't already cover? Sango123 (talk) 00:03, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, I presume it is likely to be awarded for overall wikiwonderfulness. Ian¹³_ID:540053 09:55, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, that's what I awarded it for. I fully support its use for those Wikipedians amongst us that go relatively unnoticed but make a huge difference. --Celestianpower ^háblame 12:43, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

• Even if we can't find a particular use for this, I find it too shiny not to use. I recommend it to be posted to the personal awards page at the very least for maximum visibility. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
• Just an idea but it reminded me of an Oscar award so maybe we could use it for great contributions to Entertainment articles, or if you want to get more specified movie articles. RENTASTRAWBERRY ^{FOR LET?} röck 03:06, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

The following is an ended discussion. Result of the discussion was proposal abandoned. Enigma rotor created on PUA.

[edit] Enigma barnstar

I'd like to propose creation of the Enigma barnstar. Initially I thought about it because there are some people who make great articles related to Category:Cartography. But it might be also a barnstar for people solving difficult problems on Wiki, or finding out data difficult to find etc. I don't know how to make a barnstar, but I thought that some pictures from Enigma machine article might fit. What do you think?--SylwiaS | talk 01:40, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

The following is an ended discussion. Please don't modify the contents. The result of the discussion was proposal rejected.

[edit] Jimbo Wales Medal of Honor

To be given to Wikipedians who go above and beyond Wikipedia to improve Wikipedia. This is a LARGE gold Barnstar with Jimbo Wales's pix in the center, and it is to be similar to the US Congressional Medal of Honor in appearance. Only Jimbo Wales himself is to award this award to Wikipedians who meet this criteria. Martial Law 02:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd say its something that needs to be run directly by him then.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 06:26, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I can't quite put my finger on why, but something about this idea seems kind of creepy to me. The Jimbo-as-royalty angle, I think. --Aaron 21:23, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales is the boss after all. Martial Law 05:30, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I doubt Jimbo will give this sort of award out. --Deathphoenix 19:34, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

The following is an ended discussion. Please don't edit the contents. Result of the discussion was create the "Cheers! Beer" in PUA. Deryck C. 17:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cheers! Beer Barnstar (BB)! or Wikipedia's Very Important Brew (W-VIB)!

The cheers barnstard was original started by me, user:CyclePat. (I forget who made the picture). I wonder if this should go in the general awards or the barnstar awards.

It was first awarded to user:woohookitty as "These Working Man's Beer Cans, (which have images of Barnstar's at the bottom) are for being excellent competition, a painfull deletionist, a mentor, for surviving the stress (of the edit wars, my contradictory opinions and point of views) and getting the article to a great start! Cheers & Please don't drink & drive!" and can be found on his [awards page]

It was then awarded to user:katefan0 as Working Man's Beer Cans for her hard work in keeping Wikipedia NPOV and for helping me personally out of many jams on here. Have one for me!

Most recently I have awarded it as:

--CyclePat 02:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

The following is an ended discussion. Please do not edit the contents. Result of the discussion was create the CanCon award in PUA. Deryck C. 17:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal: Canadian Contribution barnstar

I recognize that this award is in blatant contravention of the general guideline regarding the nationality of awards. However, I submit that Canada has been underrepresented at Wikipedia, especially given its historical importance in international affairs. Furthermore, given the domestic popularity of broadband technologies, an increased recognition of those who share Canadian Content ("CanCon," as it is known colloquially) would likely increase the number of high quality third-party contributions on matters relevant to controversial issues in the United States. It would thus also (indirectly) support the general neutrality of the encyclopedia.

The purpose of this award is as a lesser award of distinction, given to recognize those who make sustained, unique, and/or superior contributions that address issues of national importance that are also of international relevance (e.g., CBC and its coverage of 9/11). It is not intended to replace the Barnstar of National Merit, but would rather serve as a supplement: something that could be awarded for individual contributions unrelated to geography. It therefore does not represent a random multiplication of awards.

Respectfully submitted by JTBurman 03:53, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• Actually, I'd have said that Canada is pretty heavily over-represented myself, especially when you consider the level of representation of central Asia, Africa, the Pacific Islands, Central America... Perhaps this could be re-thought as an equivalent to the Barnstar of National Merit for non-geographic items about any country, rather than specifically Canada? Grutness...wha? 04:39, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree that, relative to places where there are fewer potential English-speaking editors (some of them don't even have Internet access), Canada is better represented. However -- given its diversity, high educational standards, and the availability of computing technology -- Canada is also more likely to provide second generation members of those underrepresented groups. Thus, I submit that supporting Canadian contributions would also (indirectly) support the creation of the sort of international content you seek. -- JTBurman 12:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• I don't think this is necessary as an official barnstar. It's definitely covered under the Barnstar of National Merit, which currently has three Canadian recipients. If you want to recognise Canadian contributors, please consider awarding this barnstar instead. We Canadians are only in fifth place (behind India with nine, South Africa with five, and Poland & Russia with four each). If you want to increase Canada's representation, consider recognising excellent contributions to Canadian articles by awarding this barnstar. :-) (I have no objections if you still want to use this as a personal user award, however). --Deathphoenix 20:58, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

If there are no objections, this is what I will do. --JTBurman 19:34, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

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