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Hey,

I'm a reporter working on a story about people editing idelologically charged Wikipedia pages. I was wondering if you'd be interested in talking a bit about the Armenian Genocide page, I was interested in your comments about feeling like minor edits could set off edit wars. You can get me here: matt.phillips@wsj.com

And thanks,

Matt

[edit] Welcome back!

Hi, your absence was definitely missed in the WPTR. Welcome back! --Free smyrnan 18:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back! I've been working very hard on Turkish language (top importance for WPTR, of course) for a few days, and it is currently a GA candidate. You could perhaps have a look, if you have the time. Regards, Atilim Gunes Baydin 19:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Welcome back Baris. I gave Suleiman the Magnificent another brief push but real life commitments stop me from developing it further. Also created Cypriot Civil War. Cheers, --A.Garnet 21:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for the barnstar, I'm flattered. Atilim Gunes Baydin 23:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. Actually, I'm trying very hard to stay away from Wikipedia (seriously). I'm buried, up to my neck, into homeworks and thesis work and this damn project always gets in the way. I'm very pleased with how Turkey, Turkish language, and others transform from intolerable nonsense into decent articles, but the time I spend here is not doing much good to me. I guess you have the same problem, but somehow manage not to get involved when you have other things to do. Oh, and I don't even want to think about Atatürk article for now (it was literally hijacked during your absence, I tried to raise my concerns on the talk page, then simply started to ignore it). Regards, Atilim Gunes Baydin 00:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm very pleased to see Milliyet's study. At last there is some very clear reference to cite on this issue. Atilim Gunes Baydin 19:38, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

Hey man, long time no see! I see your point about OR and all. How about if I can find sources saying that these places are in "Turkish Kurdistan", then I can add the cat? Khoikhoi 01:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, categories are not an assertation of fact, they simply group articles of common interest—many people use the term so they would be interested in these articles. As for the academic consensus, see Google Scholar. I've been pretty good recently, it's hard for me to keep up with everything in Wikipedia, with real life an all. As for Mor Hananyo Monastery, maybe it would be a better idea to go to WP:RM. I would move the page by myself, but I don't think it would be non-controversial. Say cool, Khoikhoi 04:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turkey

You really need to protect this page, its Ararat arev, see Armenia. He made the Armenia page a mess, you should get this protected ASAP. Artaxiad 03:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah its so stressful, I always comprise with him on messengers it takes me hours to reach a agreement ever since I stopped talking to him he has attacked pages again. Artaxiad 03:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if we can get this too Good article status, Van, Turkey Artaxiad 16:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the kind words

Thanks! I really had not intended to attack anyone; I was just interested to see how partisan the debate actually was, and I was kind of disturbed at the results. I in fact don't generally become involved in this type of discussion, mostly because I just don't have the patience to fight long editing wars. I can understand how editors that have been fighting each other over these articles can become hardened in their positions, but it is sad. --Brianyoumans 17:05, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Replacement

Hi Baris, I don't mind the replacement and please don't get what I wrote about the WikiProject's name wrong. I want people to colaborate and work together to better the articles relating the Kurds and Kurdistan. I have no political goal or ambitions. But because people are just unnecessarily too extremely against the term Kurdistan and because you can easily group these people; I don't mind keeping its current name. Ozgur Gerilla 23:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Why do u say I'm GreekWarrior?--Domitius 23:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] North Korea

If you knew that everything I say about the subject is the truth, would you call it "social commentary"? talk is cheap, is true cheap as well? If the average hight of boys in north korea is 7" shorter than that of same age boys in south korea because of malnutrition, If thousands die in concentration camps because of a comment they might have uttered against the government, If on the other hand the "president" had 200 imported limousines and a 22000 titles movie library... and finally if after all the countries you have been to you couldn't step into North Korea because it's the closest country on earth and because they don't want you to see that what I say, which in any case is well documented, is true.. What would you say to an old women who is dying by giving whatever food she has to her grand child so at least he can live? <Yoradler5 04:37, 24 March 2007 (UTC)>


[edit] Thanks a lot

Thanks Barış for the award. I'm going through my watchlist alphabetically and jumping from here to there. Due to the size of my watchlist, I guess I'll be a Wikipedian until I am 92 (but not 93) years old :) See you denizTC 05:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Feedback/opinions needed on Bibliography for Hrant Dink

Barış, would you mind giving me your opinion regarding this? Thx! --Free smyrnan 12:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] wikipedia weekyl podcast interview

hi there, that was fast!

actually, I posted that invitation at the wrong place, I had intended to place it at User:Yannismarou. However, as you will have seen in my invitation, I am also interested in interviewing someone who can represent the turkish side alongside the greek in an amicable manner (as per what we did in episode 15 when discussing the edit conflicts over India/pakisatan and how that was resolved). I therefore extend the invitation to you to join in - from the looks of it, you're the perfect candidate!

Do you know User:Yannismarou or have you worked with him before? I have now removed the invitation from the Coop board and placed it at his talk page. but consider yourself invited also. Thankyou. Witty lama 01:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

That's great! this will be an interesting chat! So, if you two could work out when is good for you toghether, then we'll see how that goes from there. We record using skype, so you'll need that, and when you're set up (if you're not already) contact me at "wittylama" on skype. I can then add you to the Wikipedia Weekly message board where we plan upcoming content. I also suggest you listen to an episode or two to see what we're on about. Please pass this information on to Yannismarou. teşekkür ederim, Witty lama 01:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit war on Turkey

Warning

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing in Turkey. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Gwernol 01:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, but I think you misunderstood the situation at Turkey: it is not an edit-war, it is vandalism. I have already filed a report at requests for page protection. There is a user who is single-handedly vandalizing both Turkey and Armenia (the latter was protected by User:Khoikhoi for the same reason) and User:El C protected Turkey two days ago for the same reason, and me and a bunch of editors have been busy reverting this user who keeps resurrecting himself repeatedly.. There is no content dispute in reality.. Baristarim 01:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
No, I'm afraid its is not vandalism. Please read out definition of vandalism. This a good faith addition, if misguided addition so it does not count as vandalism. This means you should not revert it and you should not use tools like popups to revert it. Thanks, Gwernol 01:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Its from a indef blocked user, Ararat arev, we are allowed to revert more than 3 times, since this user is highly disruptive tons of administrators know this also, Reverting actions performed by banned users. WP:3RR Artaxiad 01:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Not at all. "Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia.". That user has indicated in his summaries [1] that he is making his edits per WP:POINT. That article is a Featured Article and a user who has used up 50+ or so accounts to get his point through in many articles by placing an irrelevant paragraph on top of the page, before anything else, is compromising the integrity of Wikipedia and that of one of its best articles. I am not going, nor should any Wikipedian, sit on his hands and let that happen. All I am saying is that it is vandalism if the edits are done per POINT by a user who has resurrected himself fifty times already without a legitimate content dispute taking place. Please see the article history to see what I mean (and that of Armenia). Baristarim 02:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP tag

Hi Barış. Actually, that's what I did. I only added obvious categories and set aside some others to be done manually; I might've not noticed Cat:Assyrian settlements, which includes the articles. Please accept my apologies and do revert any other similar edits if you can find any. Thank you. :-) Regards, Anas talk? 02:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] User Talk

Whats wrong with you,,? That is my User page, don't you understand this. I don't want editwar, please leave things as they are! Thanks. --Bohater 11:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Weekly Podcast Interview

I got Skype. I have a broadband connection already! The only think I now need is a microphone to check if everything works fine with Skype!! Because I may have the program now, but I cannot record or test the sound quality!

Anyway, I think I can buy a microphone within the Weekend or even earlier, and fix these technicalities. And If I don't manage to fix them (although I don't think so, I do have friends with both Skype and a microphone!). As you can see, I think the idea is fine. And we could go forward with it. But I would prefer this prodcasting to take place next week - the soonest in the beginning of the next week. I don't know If I will be ready earlier, and my program is a bit of a mess this week.

I will post this message to Wikilama (check his talk page), and we'll see how we proceed from now on! Cheers!--Yannismarou 18:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Glad to see you're both onboard with this! Why don't (both) you contact me on Skype at "Wittylama" and we can work out a record time there. I can also bring you into the convesation message board for coordinating upcoming content. We can also discuss format (length of interview) and content (proposed /topicsquestions) there. In the mean time, I recomend you listen to a couple of previous episodes (especially ep. 15 which was an extended interview I did along similar lines of interest to here). Witty lama 18:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I just inform you that in terms of equipment I am ready earlier than I thought! So, w can arrange a reord time any time available.--Yannismarou 20:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, we two are in contact on skype. Join us whenever you can. I'm "wittylama" on skype. Witty lama 19:00, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] thanks for the reminder

I forgot about the talk page, yes. As for the merge, basically there's a Greek and a Turkish name for the same dessert, and I redirected the very new/short article to the older one. I'm not sure which name it should stay under in the end, but I think the history of the older article should be preserved, since it's 4 years old and has more content. --Delirium 06:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ministries

Barış,

Yeni kullanıcı adım Makalp. Dışişleri bakanlığı ismindeki düzeltmeni gördüm. Diğerlerini de kontrol edermisin. Başbakanlık sitesinde farklı-bakanlık sitesinde farklı olarak adlandırılanlar var.

Çevre ve orman bakanlığına bakanlık organizasyonunu ekledim, fakat çok kuru oldu. Bakanlıklar için bir layout taslağı hazırlamak, birer infobox yapmak ve sayfa altı için bir navigation template hazırlamak uygun olur diye düşünüyorum.(Districts of Turkey örneğine benzeyebilir; Bakanlıklar-->alt birimler) Dışişleri bakanları listesi, Tüm bakanlıklar için hazırlanmalı. Ayrıca Başlangıçtan bu yana( 1'den 59'a) kabineler ve üyeleri için birer sayfa hazırlamak uygun olmazmı?

Denizin talep etmiş olduğu İstanbul Şablonu hakkında bir fikir oluştumu? Görüşlerini bekliyorum. Selamlar. Mustafa Akalp MakalpTC 07:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Mustafa adini degistirmen iyi olmamis, keep yaziyordun yaninda Must cikiyordu, psikolojik baski :) Saka bi yana, Istanbul sablonunu yapalim bence. Bir de, wikiproject Turkey'de yeni bir sekme acalim, current tasks diye, yanlarinda o isi halletmek isteyecek kisilerin adlarini koyacak da yer olsun, istersek onem derecelerini yazacak bi yer de koyalim. isler hallolunca sileriz o sayfadan. Yalniz biraz duzenli olsun, ve ayni anda mesela 10'dan 15'ten fazla is/gorev olmasin. saat gece 4 burda ben yatayim. denizTC 08:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Current Task konusuna bakıyorum, bugün bir taslak hazırlamaya çalışacağım. İstanbul Şablonu için düşündüklerin neler; Navigation box? hangi bilgiler yeralmalı vb?.İmzada hata yapmışım, düzelttim. Must is a Must.MustTC 09:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] WPKU

Please check this link to see editsummary and history of User!!.Any commends?Must.T C 14:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Sockpuppet

If you charge with me to use sockpuppets, then I will complain it. I'm not amused by that! ! --Bohater 14:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I Understand you, but really he is not mine..We can check it. that is not problem for me.--Bohater 15:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] please, join it

This user is a member of WikiProject Kurdistan, a WikiProject which aims to create, edit and expand articles relating to Kurdistan. Please feel free to join us.

--Bohater 15:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes you can. I,project coordinator, accepted your membership. ): Must.T C 19:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProjectBanners

Well, this discussion was went through some time ago, and it's accepted to use WP Banner if there are more than one WikiProject banner. Actually, both pages you revereted, had two project banners (Kirkuk-Ceyhan Oil Pipeline is a part of WikiProject Turkey and WikiProject Architecture and Iran-Turkey pipeline is a part of WikiProject Turkey and WikiProject Iran). By reverting you also deleted WikiProject Iran banner and small energy portal banners. I would like to ask to restore these deleted banners. Thanks. Beagel 19:44, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I see and accept your point. However, I personally don't think this is a right thing if most of the space at the talk page is covered by large banners, but I could live with two banners :-) Cheers, Beagel 20:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WPTR

Please check Wikipedia:WikiProject_Turkey/Current_tasks, bring your comments. Regards.Must.T C 20:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Regards.Must.T C 10:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hittites

Dude there's no point in adding this, if you add that than we need to add Armenia, Iran etc since all of them have similarities especially the Armenians probably the closest because of linguist connects etc. This has nothing to do with Turkey back than, present day territory only since Rome has occupied Turkey before and Greece so we add them too? thats what 6 projects already? Artaxiad 04:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Its okay, sometimes I get pissed off no worries, it actually is closest to Turkey not ethnically ;-) geographically LOL. Artaxiad 04:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
The Editor's Barnstar
For your great contributions to Turkish-related articles Artaxiad 04:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
No problem, keep up the good work. Artaxiad 04:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Hi

Hi there, sorry you missed Turkey being on the front page, it led to some interesting vandalisms, but all was well eventually. I am still working on Hrant Dink, essentially re-writing from the ground up. When I take a break from doing that, I have been adding WPTR tags around - several hundred at least. Once Hrant Dink is finished, I think I will reduce wiki involvement though. Regards, --Free smyrnan 05:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Watch

Please watch my last contributions Special:Contributions/Makalp.Regards.Must.T C 18:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Selam

I am discussing it in the talk page. The best statistics is provincial first, see my note. --alidoostzadeh 03:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Podcasting

Hi! I am in contact with Witty lama in Skype (I think he has left you a new message above). Contact him or me (username:Yannis marou) any time you are availabe. I think that the podcasting could be arranged for the coming week. Cheers!--Yannismarou 19:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Looking forward. At least something more interesting to discuss about that AfDs!--Yannismarou 15:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re

To tell you the truth, I was just about to thank you because the page name was changed =)

My great-grandmother (from 'polis) taught Turkish to her son who both, in turn, taught my mother and her sister (only by speaking) from a very young age and my mom spoke with me while I was growing up. I can't say it's come to much use lately (reading is especially difficult sometimes) but while I was watching the coverage of Hrant Dink's murder on the internet such as hurriyet and milliyet, much of it just came back. I speak and understand Azerbaijani Turkish much better since we had some Azeris in my hometown before they all left (my dad taught me Azeri Turkish, he's near fluent). Why would I add Turkish flags? --MarshallBagramyan 03:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

There's many Armenians like me such as Fadix - sad to say, I find myself using many Turkish words when speaking (Esshak, yanee, sarsaq, beereesee, etc. =)).--MarshallBagramyan 06:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

for adding cats and cleanups... :) --Oguz1 16:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Müzeler

Şunu bir zahmet İstanbul'un Art & Culture bölümüne ekleyebilir misin? Müzelerden bahsedilen bölüme.

Hans bana fena halde kafayı taktı.

Biraz daha geliştirebilirsen (diğer müzeler, kültürel etkinlikler, vesaire) daha da iyi olur.

Istanbul Archaeology Museum, established in 1881, is one of the largest and most famous museums of its kind in the world. The museum contains more than 1,000,000 archaeological pieces from the Mediterranean basin, the Balkans, the Middle East, North Africa and Central Asia. The extremely ornate Alexander Sarcophagus, believed to be prepared for Alexander the Great, is among the most famous pieces of ancient art in the museum. The Kadesh Peace Treaty, signed between Ramesses II of Egypt and Muwatalli II of the Hittite Empire, is another favourite of the visitors. It is the oldest known peace treaty in the world. Istanbul Mosaic Museum contains the late Roman and early Byzantine floor mosaics and wall ornaments of the Great Palace of Constantinople. The nearby Turkish and Islamic Arts Museum, originally the Ibrahim Pasha Palace (1524) on Sultanahmet Square, displays a vast collection of items from various Islamic civilizations. Sadberk Hanım Museum on the Bosphorus contains a wide variety of artifacts, dating from the earliest Anatolian civilizations to the Ottomans.

Selamlar, saygılar. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.42.179.93 (talk • contribs).

Teşekkürler. :)

Bundan böyle aklıma yeni bir bilgi geldiğinde size yollarım, siz de gerekli düzenlemeleri/eklemeleri yaparak (eğer güzel bilgiyse) yerleştirirsiniz böylece Hans kızmaz. :)

İstanbul'a döndüğümde bol bol fotoğraf çekip oradaki bilgisayarımdan yükleyeceğim. İnadım inat. :)

[edit] Importance rating

If you look at De Gaulle article, the quality of the article was rated but not the importance of the subject matter, which will be, in most cases, subjective anyway, although I assume there would be a consensus for De Gaulle. But not for Coluche, for example, which waits be rated, on the basis of article quality once again, not by his own virtues, which is not up to a single wikipedian to decide. I think we should have a WPTR template that excludes importance ratings.

Hadi importance rating var diyelim. Bir de Tuğba Karademir'i birisi top importance olarak değerlendirmiş de, tutup mid-importance'a indirmişsin Barış. Senin için önemli bir konu demek ki:) Tuğba Özay'a da "star" tanımını fazla görmüştün. İsimlerin üzerinde durma, sadece örnek olarak veriyorum, ama ben nasıl yükselteyim diye düşünürüm. Sadece Türk'e propaganda yapabilen Türkler olduğu gibi, sadece Türk'e kabadayılık yapabilen Türkler de vardır. I think we should have a WPTR template that excludes importance ratings. Regards. Cretanforever 05:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you.--Yannismarou 15:21, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Look I don't know, I may have rushed myself with that vote. After the events in Cretan Muslims and other articles it's been difficult for me to assume good faith. Miskin 15:41, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fenari Isa Camii

Hallo Baristarim, I am happy that you liked the article. What does it mean GA?

Thanks, Alex2006 17:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a good idea, thanks! By the way, if you like the subject, I wrote also another article about this, and I am planning a couple more...Ciao, Alex2006 17:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] The Scope of the Kurdistan Project

I have changed the scope, is that oky, now?--Bohater 20:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Dear leader

Oh please, it goes far beyond hero-cult-worship status in Turkey, as if the man is a deity and his picture has to be posted up everywhere, even an Armenian church; something more akin to teenage idolatry for a boy band group. You guys cannot even handle a little criticism that you have to turn to venues such as YouTube and ban them solely on the grounds that it sounds offensive and hence, insults dear leader. I know not all Turks agreed with the decision (perhaps not even you) but it's kind of hypocritical for you guys to criticize France, for example, for limitations of free speech and then read the articles inserted in the Turkish legal code.

Many Turks cannot fathom the belief that someone defecated on Ataturk's house or perhaps Kemal was a bisexual, so what would their reaction be if they read in the same sentence the word genocide and his name?

All I have to do is read the comments and insults directed by fan boys like OttomanReference and I know the answer. --MarshallBagramyan 01:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair warning:

Don't delete the "Kurdish genocide claims" section from the Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey because:

  1. It is a WP:POINT vio, considering that the dab-page for that section is under AfD. (here)
  2. It is sourced by three academicians, and includes nothing but their own words. Some of these academicians are highly accredited and valued members of the academic community (well, even if they weren't...)

When it grows up, it will become a separate article. Then we can discuss about the title (especially about dropping the "claims" part for instance). NikoSilver 19:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Ignore Baris, he is trying to wind you up. --A.Garnet 19:33, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I know :)) Baristarim 19:36, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Memo to me: next time Baris starts his rhetoric about AGF, cite this diff.--Domitius 19:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Was just about to revert it in any case.. Next time maybe I will cite this for WP:STALK. Baristarim 19:39, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Haha, speaking about "stalk", touché: I liked that one! NikoSilver 20:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, humor helps sometimes :) Baristarim 20:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Columbia vandal

Thanks for spotting that vandal. Blocked and deleted. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding the Kadesh Peace Treaty in the Art & Culture section of Istanbul

Hi Barış, thanks for adding the information, but I noticed I made an error while writing it: The Battle of Kadesh was indeed fought between Rameses II and Muwatalli II, but the "Kadesh Peace Treaty" was signed in 1258 BC between Rameses II and Hattusili III, the successor of Muwatalli II (Hattusili III was also the most prominent Hittite general in that battle, before becoming the new Hittite king).

Can you please correct the error (by substituting Muwatalli II with Hattusili III, and adding 1258 BC as the date of the peace treaty?) If you want (believe it's worth mentioning), you can also add the fact that a giant poster of this tablet (treaty) is on the wall of the United Nations HQ in New York City.

Regards. 151.38.182.216 01:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ottoman Turkish

Hi,

For Ottoman Turkish, I don't know which template is used. About that two edits ([2] [3]) they are the correct spelling ("second" is written as "ثانی"). About "تذكرة الشعرا", the letters "ة" and "ه" are two different variations of one Arabic letter. At the end of words, "ه" is used (which is pronounced as "e") and in the middle of compound words, "ة" is used (which is pronounced as "et"). Jahangard 06:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Russia project

Please do not remove Russia project banners, as you did here, here, here and here. Thank you very much. Errabee 10:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Some time ago, we tried to persuade the Russian history people to reform themselves into a workgroup of WikiProject Russia, but they wouldn't have it. As the WikiProject Russia has a bigger scope, it naturally has to include everything they have tagged. Otherwise our project would be incomplete. But I agree 100% with you that this is an odd situation. Errabee 21:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Ah, my favorite photo disappeared (Istiklal Avenue from above, with theatre festival banners) but those dervishes are still there? I'll try to help with the photo situation. Atilim Gunes Baydin 10:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Category:Kurdistan

An arbitration case involving you has been filed. Feel free to comment there. -- Cat chi? 13:13, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Private Sözlük

selam. Private Sözlük başlığı için ne çeşit bir temizlik yapılabilir ki? zaten içerisinde gereksiz ve çöp bilgi/yazı yok. genel olarak sözlük tanıtılıyor. ayrıca wikify yapmak ne demek? Biraz bahsedebilir misin??

[edit] Moving Denial of the Armenian Genocide

I have suggested that Denial of the Armenian Genocide should be moved to Denial of the Armenian Genocide allegations. I assume that you would be interested in the debate and would like to submit your opinion on the proposal. See: Denial of the Armenian Genocide (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)--Scientia Potentia 16:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of what you would prefer, Baristarim, my comment stands. "There are users in that page who consistently try to shut up every user who comes wondering about the genocidal nature of events" -- They should shut up, because our job is to edit, not to wonder, and such wondering has no place in articles, or in article talk pages, which are solely for improving articles, not for debates about the subject of articles that are a huge drain on editors that are actually trying to follow Wikipedia's WP:NOR and WP:NPOV policies. -- Jibal 06:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

If you go back and read what I wrote, it was "you folks" -- I wasn't singling you out, but you took it personally, complaining "I would appreciate if you didn't refer to my comments ...", and wasting both our time. I see that in your latest contrib there you discontinued the debate -- I applaud. -- Jibal 06:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Also, in re "the improvements that an editor can bring to an article is inevitably influenced by his/her opinions" ... I've written elsewhere that it would be better if people stayed away from pages where they have strong opinions about the subject, but far too many people are bent on manifesting their ideology through their editing. That's why I say "leave your ideologies at home". -- Jibal 06:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate your civility. Cheers and have a nice day yourself! -- Jibal 06:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
P.S. On my talk page you wrote "Holocaust deniers deny outright that any Jews died", after I already corrected you on that false statement in my original response to you -- that I don't appreciate. Please take a look at Holocaust Denial to see what holocaust deniers really do, and please stop repeating this erroneous absolutist claim -- if you want to support some distinction between Holocaust denial and denial of Armenian Genocide (or whatever you wish to call it), you need to find other grounds. -- Jibal 06:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
"the tyranny of the words" -- yes, I agree completely. People tend to operate on the symbols rather than the realities that they represent; group nouns are particularly pernicious. -- Jibal 07:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Aegean Sea

As I've mentioned in the discussion in WP:TFD, I've created a sample template that may very well substitute the current template. You can find it here: User:Kimon/Aegean Sea. Let me know what you think. (I posted to your talk page directly as you were the nominator). Thanks! --Kimontalk 17:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Additional information for the Religion section of Istanbul

The existing paragraphs are in "italic", the additional information to be placed between them is in "bold":

Following the Turkish conquest of Constantinople in 1453, the Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II established the Millet System, according to which the different ethnic groups within Constantinople and the rest of the Ottoman Empire were to be governed by a group of institutions based on faith. For this purpose, Mehmed II also founded previously non-existant religious authorities such as the Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople in 1461. Earlier, the Byzantines considered the Armenian Church as heretic and did not allow the Armenians to have churches inside the walls of Constantinople. Several Armenian saints, such as Saint Narses, were exiled and imprisoned in the Princes' Islands near Constantinople, in the Sea of Marmara. With the Millet System, a great deal of the internal affairs regarding these communities were assigned to the administration of these religious authorities; such as the Ecumenical Patriarchate for the affairs of all Orthodox Christians, the Armenian Patriarchate for the affairs of the Armenian (and for some time also the Syriac) Christians, and later the Grand Rabbi for the affairs of the Jews.

The population of the Armenian and Greek minorities in Istanbul greatly declined beginning in the late 19th century. The city's Greek Orthodox communtiy were exempted from the population exchange between Greece and Turkey of 1923. However, a series of special restrictions and taxes beginning in the 1930s (see, e.g., Varlık Vergisi), finally culminating in the Istanbul Pogrom of 1955, greatly increased emigration, and in 1964, all Greeks without Turkish citizenship residing in Turkey (around 100,000) were deported. Today, most of Turkey's remaining Greek and Armenian minorities live in or near Istanbul. Beside the Levantines, who are the descendants of European traders (mostly Genoese, Venetian and French) who established trading outposts during the Byzantine and Ottoman periods, there is also a small, scattered number of Bosphorus Germans. A number of places reflect past movements of different communities into Istanbul, most notably Arnavutköy (Albanian village), Polonezköy (Polish village) and Yeni Bosna (New Bosnia).

During the Byzantine period, the Genoese Podestà ruled over the Italian community of Galata, which was mostly made up of the Genoese, Venetians, Tuscans and Ragusans. Following the Turkish siege of Constantinople in 1453, during which the Genoese sided with the Byzantines and defended the city together with them, the Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II allowed the Genoese (who had fled to their colonies in the Aegean Sea such as Lesbos and Chios) to return back to the city, but Galata was no longer run by a Genoese Podestà. Venice, Genoa's archrival, did not miss the opportunity to regain control in the strategic citadel of Galata (Pera), which they were forced to leave in 1261 when the Byzantines retook Constantinople and brought an end to the Latin Empire (1204-1261) that was established by Enrico Dandolo, the Doge of Venice. The Republic of Venice immediately established political and commercial ties with the Ottoman Empire, and a Venetian Baylo (Bailiff) was sent to Pera as a political and commercial ambassador, similar to the role of the Genoese Podestà during the Byzantine period. The Venetians sent Gentile Bellini to Constantinople, who crafted the famous portrait of Sultan Mehmed II, which is found today in the National Portrait Gallery of London. It was also the Venetians who suggested Leonardo da Vinci to Bayezid II when the Sultan mentioned his intention to construct a bridge over the Golden Horn, and Leonardo designed his Galata Bridge in 1502, the sketches and drawings of which are located today in the Museo Nazionale della Scienza e della Tecnologia of Milan. The Baylo's seat was the Venetian Palace, currently the Italian Consulate (and formerly the Italian Embassy until 1923, when Ankara became the new Turkish capital). The Turkish name of Pera, Beyoğlu, comes from the Turkicized form of Baylo, whose palace was the most grandiose structure in this quarter. The name originates from Bey Oğlu (literally Son of Governor) and was particularly used by the Turks to describe Luigi Giritti, son of Andrea Giritti, the Venetian Baylo during the reign of Suleiman the Magnificent[1]. The Ottoman Empire had an interesting relationship with the Republic of Venice. Even though the two states often went to war over the control of East Mediterranean territories and islands, they were keen on restoring their trade pacts once the wars were over, such as the renewed trade pacts of 1479, 1503, 1522, 1540 and 1575 following major sea wars between the two sides. The Venetians were also the first Europeans to taste Ottoman delicacies such as coffee, centuries before other Europeans saw coffee beans for the first time in their lives during the Battle of Vienna in 1683. These encounters can be described as the beginning of today's rich "coffee culture" in both Venice (and later the rest of Italy) and Vienna.

The Sephardic Jews have lived in the city for over 500 years, see the history of the Jews in Turkey. Together with the Arabs, the Sephardic Jews fled the Iberian Peninsula during the Spanish Inquisition of 1492, when they were forced to convert to Christianity after the fall of the Moorish Kingdom of Andalucia. The Ottoman Sultan Bayezid II (1481-1512) sent a sizeable fleet to Spain under the command of Kemal Reis in order to save the Arabs and Sephardic Jews who were tortured and killed because of their faith. More than 200,000 Spanish Jews fled first to Tangier, Algiers, Genova and Marseille, later to Salonica and finally to Istanbul. The Sultan granted Ottoman citizenship to over 93,000 of these Spanish Jews. Another large group of Sephardic Jews came from southern Italy which was under Spanish control. The İtalyan Sinagogu (Italian Synagogue) in Galata is mostly frequented by the descendants of these Italian Jews in Istanbul. The Sephardic Jews of Iberia and Italy contributed much to the rising power of the Ottoman Empire by introducing new ideas, methods and craftsmanship. The first Gutenberg press in Istanbul was established by the Sephardic Jews in 1493, who excelled in many areas, particularly medicine, trade and banking. The Camondo family was highly influential in the Ottoman banking sector. The famous Camondo Stairs on the Bankalar Caddesi (Banks Street) in Karaköy (Galata) was built by them. More than 20,000 Sephardic Jews still remain in Istanbul today.

There is also a relatively smaller and more recent community of Ashkenazi Jews in Istanbul who continue to live in the city since the 19th century. The Avusturya Sinagogu (Austrian Synagogue), also known as the Aşkenaz (Askhenazi) Sinagogu is one of the most famous synagogues in Istanbul and stands out with its interesting architecture. A second large wave of Ashkenazi Jews came to Istanbul during the 1930s and 1940s following the rise of Nazism in Germany which persecuted the Ashkenazi Jews of central and eastern Europe.

Today, a total of 26 active synagogues are to be found in the city, the most important of them being the Neve Shalom Synagogue inaugurated in 1951, in the Beyoğlu quarter. The Turkish Grand Rabbi in Istanbul (currently Ishak Haleva) presides over community affairs. A decrease in the population of the city's Jewish community occurred after the independence of the State of Israel in 1948, but the Turkish Jews who migrated to that country helped to establish strong relationships between Turkey and Israel. The founders of the State of Israel, and prominent Israeli politicians, such as David Ben-Gurion, Yitzhak Ben-Zvi and Moshe Shertok had all studied in the leading Turkish schools of Istanbul in their youth, namely Galatasaray Lisesi and Istanbul University.

Like in other information, I wrote them all myself. They are completely my own sentences (no plagiarism).

Grazie mille :) 151.37.178.39 21:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I added it already :)

[edit] Re:

I messed up big time lol, those were categories not stub categories but I reverted my edits. Lakers 01:06, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't find that funny how he said that by the way not sure which part is funny, thats gaming. Lakers 10:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I have a sense humor but I'm still kind of confused lol. Well reverting and saying comments like that are gaming he shouldn't do things like that in the future because it can get him blocked. Plus I've seen his edits they are very bias all he does is remove anything that has nothing to do with Turkey, while your edits are okay and Ozguz is probably the most POV pusher I have seen yet. So that is why I don't find it funny because of his edits probably Its kind of impressing, that no one says anything. Lakers 10:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Check your mail. Lakers 10:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Büyük İzmir Yangını

I think you missed the worst one:

Alexius they are not supported by any scholarly research. The Turkish bastards are supported by the NPOV policy which means that any Turkish act that portrays them in a bad light is not neutral and the sources are therefore biased. Please notice that the article on the Armenian genocide has to be blocked from editing (its history shows that even this widely acknowledged event was disputed by the Turkish editors). Lets hope this fascist nation stays out of Europe. --Tedblack 14:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC) [4]

He was blocked for that. Yeah, I was disgusted as well by those comments. I didn't understand why Hectorian said all that. Anyways, I've archived everything. I think another problem is the article itself; some of the content should be moved to Wikisource, while the article in general needs a rewrite. I don't think ArbCom is needed at this point (that's usually the last resort when all other attempts at mediation have failed), but hopefully the archiving should work. Ciao, Khoikhoi 03:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Well, thanks for your response. :-) Khoikhoi 05:55, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

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