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Contents 1 page restructuring 2 opportunities to contribute 3 China (ben hur) 4 Babe 5 Spain 6 uk 7 Citing sources 8 Fahrenheit 9/11 9 Iraq 10 Banned in US 11 (self?)censorship in US 12 Egypt section 13 Category:Banned films 14 China 14.1 Not Banned in China 15 New Zealand 16 semi-banned at IMDb 17 The Profit 18 Malaysia section 19 Pakistan 20 Malaysia #2 21 China section

[edit] page restructuring

• I removed Birth of a Nation from the list of famous banned movies because it was never actually banned and was a box-office success.
• I erased the list of famous banned movies and instead moved them to individual country timelines
• Moved Snuff Films to "See Also" and removed the clumsy POV commentary.
• Removed "Does the Internet Change Everything?" section and re-wrote it into the introduction.
• Removed "mechanisms for getting films unbanned" section because it doesn't actually provide any information, just obvious generalities.
• Combined "Banning versus censoring", "Famous laws or codes used to ban/censor films", and removed "famous organizations promoting banning/censorship of films".
• Removed "newsy" external links and external links that dealt primarily with censorship other than films.

[edit] opportunities to contribute

• Go through the external links for information that's relevant to the article and write it in to wherever you see it necessary, and then remove the external link.
• Add countries and films to the timelines! Iran in particular has an interesting practice of censoring, releasing to wide acclaim, and then banning movies- over and over again.
• I don't know much of anything about Australia- someone who is familiar please go through the australian timeline, clean it up, and wikify it.

Buddhainabucket talk 1:00 PM Aug. 19, 2004

"Birth of A Nation" was banned in several cities in the USA, but never nationwide. Other films banned in specific cities include the 1932 Scarface, banned in Chicago, and Freaks from the same year, banned in Cleveland.

[edit] China (ben hur)

It is said that China banned 'ben hur' in 1930. the film wasn't released until post-war, so i'm assuming this means that book (as this is where the link goes). however, this is a list of banned films, not books.

There was a famous silent version of Ben Hur in 1926. Maybe it was this one?

[edit] Babe

I can't believe Babe is banned! Until I realized the story of a piece of hog might not be tantalizing to the Malaysian censors. Mandel 17:27, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

The movie was actually unbanned and made available on VHS and VCD almost a year later iirc. My cousin has a legal copy of the movie on VHS - bought it soon after the movie was unbanned iirc. I last saw the movie available on VideoCD next to Babe II at a video store I frequent. And on that point, I don't believe Babe II was ever banned- iirc it was being promoted over the radio quite heavily.219.93.44.71 08:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spain

I am sure that Spain under the dictatorship of Francisco Franco banned more films than Australia. For example, almost all of the films of Luis Bunuel were banned in Spain during the Franco years, and films such as The Battleship Potemkin which espoused pro-Communist points of view were banned.

[edit] uk

werent exorcist and straw dogs subsequently banned on video?

No, and no. Uncut and passed as 18, the timing discrepency is due to the 24 to 25 fps speedup. --Kiand 16:37, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

ive checked imdb and i am correct they were banned on video in uk

The IMDb is incorrect, as it often is. I, however, checked with the film censors office. --Kiand 21:46, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Certificates FVF026704 and BFF026704 for Straw Dogs; EVF029742 and about ten others for The Exorcist; if you want to check. But believe me, the IMDb is wrong. --Kiand 21:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

IMDB is not wrong, they are two of the most famous banned films ever in the UK? Read the review below, it states everything.

Actually Straw Dogs was according to this website banned for many years on video. This from another website :

During the early 1980s Straw Dogs was made available on home video in the original cinema version. Prior to the introduction of the Video Recordings Act (VRA) in 1984 it was not necessary for video releases to be separately classified by the BBFC and so Straw Dogs was released on video on the basis of its existing ‘X’ cinema certificate. After the introduction of the VRA it became necessary, however, for Straw Dogs to achieve a separate video classification certifying its suitability for ‘home viewing’. Under the staggered system for classifying the huge number of videos already on the market it was necessary for English language films classified by the BBFC between 1st January 1970 and 31st December 1974 to receive a video classification, or be withdrawn from circulation, by 1st March 1988. Straw Dogs was therefore legally available on video in the UK, uncut and without a video certificate, until March 1988.

Along with The Exorcist and Death Wish, Straw Dogs was ultimately removed from video shops in 1988 because the BBFC’s then Director, James Ferman, did not feel that it would be appropriate to classify this particular film for video release ‘at that time’. [1]

As the article goes on it explains that it wouldn't be till 2002 that the film would be uncut. Lummie 03:16, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citing sources

This article has been edited by many hands, presumably in good faith, but there seem to be few if any citations to reliable sources. Much of what is here seems to be based on anecdotal evidence or movie lore. A list like this simply lacks credibility because it is unreferenced. Can we start cleaning it up, please? I added the {{unreferenced}} tag to help attract some attention from editors. MCB 06:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fahrenheit 9/11

2004: Farenheit 911 Banned in Augusta Georgia citing gross inaccuracy and extreme liberalism on behalf of Michael moore

I'm deleting the above listing since I have found no evidence that it is accurate. Surely if Fahrenheit 9/11 had been banned, there would have been plenty of news coverage saying so. --Metropolitan90 07:15, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iraq

I am ALMOST positive that South Park Bigger longer uncut was banned in Iraq Becuase of Saddam & Satan's Homsexual Relationship, right?

Here's a source you might want to use, enjoy:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0158983/trivia --THobern 21:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Banned in US

This section could be written to be more factual and specific than generalized. Likewise, it neglects the fact that movies depicting or implying child fornification is in fact banned in the US, or at least certain states (think foreign films). I wish I could remember the name of a specific movie that fits this profile but I cant. 66.58.168.110 06:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] (self?)censorship in US

How about the movie Death of a President? I read that this film was banned by almost 100% of the theaters. Why is this phenomenon (in general) not mentioned in the main article?

[edit] Egypt section

a movie star named Samantha Kaur Alukh was listed in the Egpyt section, claiming that this star was banned because of open support for Israel. But I've checked through the Internet, in the IMDB, but couldnt find any information about this star. (her name wasnt mentioned in all websites that google searched except this page.) Can anyone add some information about her, or just confirm her existence in the film industry? Tache 16:45, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems like vandalism to me.

[edit] Category:Banned films

I have proposed deleting the category - it is too vague, and misleading.

If you wish to discuss that - please go to Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_September_16#Category:Banned films -- Beardo 00:40, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] China

The sentence for China is confusing and contradictory. Are "most" foreign films banned, or are "one third" of them banned? --Storkk 17:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I took out "* 2006: Over The Hedge, for its depictions of the free world^{[citation needed]}. (Possibly banned in theatres, but widely available for purchase in DVD retailers)" Someone was obviously trying to be a smartass. --Rykoshet 1:29, 29 October 2006 (EST)

[edit] Not Banned in China

People need to be REALLY CAREFUL when saying that a film is banned in the PRC. Most films are not banned, in fact very few are. What happens is that the Chinese government imposes an import quota on foreign movies (I think it's about 20 movies a year) and won't allow more than that quota in theaters regardless of how non-political and non-sensitive the films are.

This isn't censorship, it is market protectionism. The government is afraid that foreign films with big SFX budgets and big name actors (EVERYBODY in China knows the big Hollywood stars) will take box office earnings away from domestic movies and bankrupt domestic film companies.

You also need to be careful when saying that something is available on DVD. The chances are that the DVD version of a foreign film that is not in theaters will be pirate.

perfectblue 18:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Zealand

I'm working on some of the films listed as banned in New Zealand. I've found, so far, that the IMDB is a highly inaccurate source for this information. I'll post justifications of any films I remove here. First up is Natural Born Killers which was never banned, and has been R18 since 1994. The official judgement of the New Zealand Office of Literature and Film Classification is here: [2] --Dom 00:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Your link is to the wrong film. The correct judgement is here: [3]. This states it is R18 and not banned. 219.89.197.134 03:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

s/Thrillers/Killers/ - Heh. Thanks for pointing that out! --Dom 11:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Next, Kite (film) - given an R16 rating, which isn't even the highest attainable [4]. Available in video stores, was shown in theatres. --Dom 00:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Visitor Q is an interesting one. There was a brief injunction where it couldn't be shown because the classification was in doubt, but it was never banned. The classification is still 'objectionable except if the availability of the publication is limited for the purpose of study in a tertiary media or film studies course or as part of a film festival organised by an incorporated film society, and in both cases to persons R18.' [5] --Dom 00:34, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] semi-banned at IMDb

When you type "Baise-Moi" or "Rape Me" in the search bar at IMDb it does not list [6], somebody should write something about this phenomenon I think.

[edit] The Profit

Does anyone know where I can find that movie "The Profit"? -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.162.105.172 (talk • contribs).

Looking at what people claim to be an injunction against "The Profit" there seems to be no nationwide injunctive in place against its showing. I don’t think “The Profit” is banned in the US. According to what people claim to be an “injunction” it was only prohibited from being shown immediately prior to jury selection. Indeed, it is pretty much impossible in the US to obtain any larger “prior restraint” against people. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/TheProfit/injunction.pdf

I think people need to do more research on this before posting. 68.33.203.109 15:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Malaysia section

The Malaysia section on this page currently reads in part, "Malaysia has a history of banning films as it cracks down on sex, violence and obscenity, which would have caused a chaos throughout the community. ... Censorship is adequate if only some portions of the film require censorship, but if too much censorship is required, making the film meaningless, the film is best banned." Not only is this poor English, it comes across as incredibly POV --- and that POV is pro-censorship, which seems odd for Wikipedia anyway. Maybe this is a case of "lost in translation." Was this editor really trying to suggest that the Malaysian "community" would be plunged into "chaos" by a lack of censorship, or was this a troll, or what? --Quuxplusone 23:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Good to post that here, but in a case like that feel free to simply remove the POV language in its entirety, which I did after you called attention to it. --MCB 21:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pakistan

The Pakistani government has banned the import of Indian and American films, leaving piracy as the only way to distribute them. They have also recently banned The Da Vinci Code supposedly out of respect for the Christian community there.

What is an American film and why isn't the Da Vinci Code one? 203.109.240.93 12:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Malaysia #2

The Malaysia section states 'for non-muslims only' ... how does one ban movies for a specific religious group? I was looking at the history to see if I could find which edit added this. I guess it would be good to add a 'search history' feature to Wikipedia ;). → [[User:Icez|Icez {[[User talk:Icez|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Icez|contrib]]}]] 04:01, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm speculating it says on the DVD/VCD cover it's for non-Muslims only. Potentially vendors may be required to check the MyKad or more likely I suspect may just tell the person it's for non-Muslims only. More likely (obviously this wouldn't be directed by law) racial profiling may be involved and vendors may carry out one or both of the earlier suggestions if a Malay person (or someone who looks like one) tries to buy a copy. Most likely though I suspect this ban isn't really enforced (and given how easy it would be to obtain a pirated copy there is really no point and also I suspect most Muslims aren't particularly interested in watching it either). Having said that a Muslim in possesion or caught viewing the movie could probably be prosecuted under Malaysia's Syariah law for Muslims. Note that alcohol and other non-Halal food products like those derived from pigs are widely available in Malaysia. I've never really heard about most enforcement activiy carried out on the people selling the products, it's usually the Muslims who are caught drinking (or whatever but drinking is obviously one of the primary ones) who are prosecuted Nil Einne 10:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] China section

I have some concerns about the China section. One of the problems is that China only allows a limited number of imported movies every year as the article states (I've heard the it's 25). As such, it's difficult for us to claim a certain motive for not showing a film, even if it is a box office hit unless an official in the PRC gives such a reason. Note that the reason why I'm aware of this is because the recent Bond flick was the first ever to be shown. However we don't mention any of them (and some of them did touch on China somewhat). What I think we should do is only report cases were we have a reliable source which suggest the Chinese have a certain motive in not showing the film. We can attribute this claim to said source and we can also mention the official reason and let the reader decide. If there is no reliable source which makes any claim about why the movie was not shown we should not mention it at all. It is not up to us to decide why certain movies were not shown or suggest movies weren't shown because the Chinese officials didn't like the content, such an attempt would fall foul of verifiblity and OR policies. Currently, the Brokeback Mountain article includes references which attribute motives and includes the official Chinese reason. When I have time I'll copy these to this article if someone hasn't done it already. The rest are likely to be removed unless references can be found to support the claims. P.S. I'll keep the banned outright ones which are a different issue Nil Einne 10:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)