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Contents 1 merge 2 The before/after schedules for Electric Soldier Porygon 3 The before/after schedules for Electric Soldier Porygon 4 "Holiday Hi-Jinx" controversy? 5 The Legend of Dratini 6 Simpsons 7 seziure episode 8 Title of EP038 9 Attack: Thunderbolt 10 Porygon note 11 flashing 12 Sources? 13 IMPORTANT!! 14 Smoochum and the Three Jynx Sisters 15 Words Of wisdom 16 Inappropriate tone tag 17 Bricker/Scuffle of legend 18 Electric Soldier Porygon 19 The Ice Cave 20 Reason 21 What The Heck Does Frank Zappa's Video have to do with Pokemon Banned Episodes? 22 Deleted Scenes 23 Electric/Computer Soldier Porygon episode name 24 Dratini episode - Banned everywhere? 25 The Legend of Dratini - Aired in the US? 26 The Bicker the Better? 27 YouTube links 28 Title problem 29 Pokemon and Turkey 30 ja:ポケモンショック 31 Requested move 31.1 Survey 31.1.1 Survey - Support votes 31.1.2 Survey - Oppose votes 31.2 Discussion

[edit] merge

merge this with pokemon(anime)

Umm, with James being a man and stuff, how did he get such huge breasts? — JIP | Talk 16:36, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Rubber suit. Incidentally, why is there a list of "Key Pokémon" for each of these episodes? What does it have to do with anything? - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 17:05, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The before/after schedules for Electric Soldier Porygon

	English title	Japanese title	Planned broadcast	Actual broadcast
	Holiday Hi-Jynx	ルージュラのクリスマス	December 23, 1997	October 5, 1998
EP040	The Battling Eevee Brothers	イーブイ４きょうだい	January 6, 1998	April 16, 1998
EP041	Wake Up, Snorlax!	おきろ！カビゴン！	January 13, 1998	April 23, 1998
EP042	Showdown at Dark City	たいけつ！ポケモンジム！	January 20, 1998	April 30, 1998
EP043	March of the Exeggutor Squad	ナッシーぐんだんだいこうしん！	January 27, 1998	May 7, 1998
EP044	The Problem with Paras	パラスとパラセクト	February 3, 1998	May 14, 1998
	Snow Way Out	イワークでビバーク	February 10, 1998	October 5, 1998

An anon keeps adding this table to the Electric Soldier Porygon section. I'm having trouble figuring out what purpose it serves; the text already says that Pokémon was put on hiatus after Electric Soldier Porygon, and this table just reiterates that. Why should this be in the article? - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 02:15, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

I would also like to point out that this table is copied from a by-nc-sa wiki. - 振霖_T 08:45, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Another question: on what time was Electric Soldier Porygon aired exactly? This site:

http://www.freewebs.com/porygonseizure/bansynopsis.htm

...states:

The episode started at 6:30, and the flashing was at precisely 6:52.

THIS site however:

http://m.1asphost.com/Valthors/Valthors/ElectricSoldierPorygon.html

...states:

On the evening of December 16, 1997, millions of people all over Japan gathered in their homes to watch Pokémon (episode #38).

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.217.240.47 (talk • contribs) 20:23, January 5, 2006 (UTC).

I'm betting that the sources both mean 6:30 PM (18:30) - local time, I guess. --AySz88^-^ 04:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The before/after schedules for Electric Soldier Porygon

O.k the only reason why I added that is because I wanted to show how the seizure episode effected the original airing of the different episodes that was supposed to air after “Electric Soldier Porygon----Denno Senshi Porigon’ if we don’t need it I will be ok with it. But I think it would make a good addition to that article. Thanks -Jsmith talk to me....

I covered that, in rewriting the article. The series went on hiatus for four months, and it now says that.

In the future, please look at the edit more carefully before reverting for "Vandalism." It's a bit disconcerting to do a good-faith edit and find someone has reverted it as vandalism. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 00:45, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Holiday Hi-Jinx" controversy?

Why was Jynx's appearance in this episode "controversial"? This portion of the article is ambiguous.

The episode isn't controversial; Jynx is. Jynx's black-skinned design looked a lot like a minstrel performer in blackface, and the negative racial connotations generated controversy.

I'll clear that up in the article. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 14:29, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Legend of Dratini

I find it interesting that The Legend of Dratini was not dubbed and aired in the US (and other countries that have the US dubbing, like the UK) because of guns being pointed at people. Do you remember episode 12, Here Comes the Squirtle Squad, where Ash runs to a town to get some medicine from a store? When he entered, many people aimed shotguns at him. I wonder why this was acceptible to 4Kids, and the Dratini episode wasn't. And that's not even bringing up the Elmer Fudd arguement. --Daniel Lawrence 13:50, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Episode 12 was localized before there was a lot of media scrutiny of Pokémon, and Meowth with the 'stache is probably another contributing factor. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 03:18, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

could anybody post that picture of meowth dressed like hitler?

[edit] Simpsons

I'm almost positive that the simpsons weren't spoofing that incident with Pokemon particuarly, they were spoofing almost all japanese shows. Because most of them can cause seizures. Also, sometimes, the picture won't even load.

Actually, no, they really can't, not any more than American animation or any TV show, for that matter.

As for the picture not loading, it's because of Wikipedia's server issues. Nothing can really be done, and it's not limited to that image. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 05:31, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] seziure episode

Will they ever air Electric Soldier Proygon again??? (lights slowed down)..Also will the U.S. Air 'Shaking Island Battle! Barboach vs. Whiscash' ??

It's doubtful; Electric Soldier Porygon hasn't ever been localized for English. As for Shaking Island Battle, I don't know, as the US episodes haven't gotten that far, but I sort of doubt it, since it wasn't even aired in Japan. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 06:51, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Maybe you should look it up on YouTube. They have a lot of good stuff on YouTube. --S-man

I tried, only two results. I didn't wanna even whatch it.71.106.128.213 03:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)Syarasu

[edit] Title of EP038

でんのうせんしポリゴン dennō senshi Porygon is more accurately translated as Computer soldier Porygon. The more common [mis]translation probably came about because someone misread it as でんのせんしポリゴン den-no senshi Porygon. The use of occasionally translated belittles the accuracy of this translation. Granted, 電脳 dennō is not a commonly used word for computer in Japanese (it is in Chinese, except, apparently, in China, where they prefer 计算机 - counting-machine - or so I'm told), but it's clear enough what it means - an electronic brain is a computer. - 振霖_T 08:45, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Feel free to amplify "occasionally translated as" to something more direct (I just tried for a rough compromise in wording), but the episode really should still be referred to as Electric Soldier Porygon, as that's the name typically used in the English-speaking Pokémon fan community. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 08:58, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

An even better translation would be "Cyber Soldier Porygon", considering that the episode mostly takes place in, well, cyberspace. SWalkerTTU 04:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Attack: Thunderbolt

Didn't the attack 'Thunderbolt' in the Green verison have similarities to the seizure episodes??

Well, Kinda. It flashed the screen black and white 3 times, it just wasn't that fast. They took it out for the importing to America. Tirgotehpwner 16:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Porygon note

Took the liberty of adding a small note about how Porygon appeared in a "Who's That Pokémon?" bit. I personally found this particularly unusual, given it will likely never appear in an episode of the animé ever again and certainly has never done so in any language other than Japanese. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Porygon appear in one of the parts linking scenes together in either a later episode or "Pikachu's Vacation"? Would that be worthy of note? --L T Dangerous

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Regarding the new public service on-screen advisories, the warning shown for Inu Yasha at the bottom of Electric Soldier Porygon has been amended to read "A request from Inu Yasha [a main character from a popular anime series of the same name]... " Given that the very next line explains that this is "(as seen on Nippon TV broadcasts of InuYasha)", I suggest we either delete the explanation in square brackets, or make it a wikilink. Any comments? Cheers, Eiríkr Útlendi 20:55, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

As no one voiced any objections, I deleted the redundant comment. Eiríkr Útlendi 17:08, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] flashing

In a couple of episodes, like the one with the surfing and the big wave, I noticed the screen went pale and odd, sometimes when there were electric attacks. Were these added in place of flashing?14:02, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Most likely these were edits made to episodes that were already at some stage of cel drawing in the production cycle, if not already in the can. Given that it takes even Japanese animators several months to complete a 25-minute episode, and that Pokémon is necessarily done in an assembly-line fashion as it has run every week since April 1998, a new animation style wouldn't show up for several episodes after the break, but some adjustments would still have to have been made to adapt to their new requirements. Thus, the producers went with the most expedient way of dealing with the situation, and re-animated or re-exposed some sequences. This required some time, so they were given a hiatus and brought back at the beginning of the next TV season in April 1998. SWalkerTTU 04:53, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources?

This article badly needs sources for its information; I can't determine whether recent edits are misleading/vandalism without checking a source. --AySz88^-^ 18:06, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I've begun adding references and a sources section, but thye are hard to find. Any help appreciated! --Stretch 07:41, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IMPORTANT!!

Why is KidsWB skipped episodes?

• Rollout! Loving Donfwan!
• Disorderly Melee! Pokemon Contest - Kinagi Convention! (Part 1)
• Disorderly Melee! Pokemon Contest - Kinagi Convention! (Part 2)

Its stupid!

• (Whats wrong with Jynx being Purple?)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.200.34.179 (talk • contribs) 14:47, February 1, 2006 (UTC).

As for your last question, it's not that Jynx is purple, it's that her face is black with big lips, which makes Jynx look a lot like blackface. Blackface is racist, so it's offensive to some/many/most (?) people. --AySz88^-^ 04:26, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Jynx's face isn't black anymore, as seen in the picture in this article. They recolored the face to purple precisely because of the inane "racism" complaints. 68.47.234.131 02:30, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

So why is the episodes aired in the UK but not in the US....

Maybe because not enough people know about blackface in the UK? I think it's a U.S. thing. --AySz88^-^ 22:20, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

The same channel airs Holiday Hi-Jynx. This is purely a Kids WB thing. Sonic Mew 14:39, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

i stumbled onto this page, and have no knowledge whatsoever about pokemon, so i might be wrong about this, but with my knowledge of japanese, i would think the "donfwan" mentioned in an episode name here would mean don juan. it would also make more sense, as the meaning of the title would then be "don juan in love" 213.172.234.247 17:20, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Donfwan - or more accurately Donfan - is the Japanese name for the Pokémon Donphan. The title refers to the fact that it is the Donphan mating season. Sonic Mew 17:57, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smoochum and the Three Jynx Sisters

Does this really belong in the article? Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. An episode that hasn't even aired in Japan yet and is almost a year away from its probable air date in the United States doesn't really need to be mentioned. Yes, title makes it obvious that Jynx will be featured, and apparently changing its skin to purple isn't enough to satisfy Kids WB. But given that Kids WB will have been replaced by The CW Network's children's block before the US dub of Pokemon gets to this episode, there's not enough certainty of this episode being pulled to justify including it in this article. Redxiv 06:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to be bold and remove it purely because it isn't banned (yet). Sonic Mew 23:24, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Just because it hasn't had a chance to be banned doesn't mean it won't be. I believe the changeover to Kids' CW would likely be a change in name only, not a change in personnel or in programming policy, as UPN no longer has a children's block. UPN dropped kids' programming in 2003, and hasn't programmed a kids' block since 1999, when Disney took over UPN Kids. The CW is essentially a merger of UPN and The WB...probably about 20/80 programming-wise, and 0/100 on children's programming, so I wouldn't expect major changes, especially in the choice of what goes out. SWalkerTTU 05:10, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a Crystal Ball. Sonic Mew 19:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Words Of wisdom

People have to freakin' learn that: 1. Porygon on Pokemon will not make you have seizures, it's just that episode 2. Jynx is not a rasist 3. I forget what I'm taking about! Tirgotehpwner 16:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

very well said!-!-69.113.232.143

Indeed, Jynx surely is not a "rasist". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aetherfukz (talk • contribs) 22:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Inappropriate tone tag

I found the tone of this article to be just fine. It might lack the stiffness of a typical encyclopedia, but it's fluid and very readable. These are pokemon we're talking about, and so I think some deviation from the standard tone is to be expected, and frankly, welcome. Given the lack of discussion on the tone, I've removed the tag.--Nick 01:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bricker/Scuffle of legend

People have been removing and adding these episodes. Why not discuss here if we should keep or remove it?

[edit] Electric Soldier Porygon

I understand that this episode caused seizures in a lot of people, but why didn't Nintendo just remove the seizure-inducing explosion? --User: WPManic 10: 46, 4 August 2006

First its 4KIDS that dubbed and produced the US version. Second, Nintendo actually had a very small hand in the production of Pokémon. As for the question, well. . . you're guess is as guess mine.

Keiji 05:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

The site http://www.csicop.org/si/2001-05/pokemon.html Discusses the seizure-inducing explosion. My read of the artical seems to state that it dident happen the way the massmedia imples.

quote: "Although widely regarded either as a mystery or as a simple case of mass epileptic seizures, the 1997 Pokémon panic is much more complex than that. With very few exceptions, much of the media overlooked the possibility of, and contributing factors to, mass hysteria."

[edit] The Ice Cave

Is this episode dubbed? Ragnaroknike

[edit] Reason

Could someone please put why the episodes were banned in the article? I'm very curious.Thomasiscool 17:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)Thomasiscool

"Electric Soldier Porygon" (sometimes called "Computer Soldier Porygon") was banned worldwide because of a scene roughly twenty minutes in the episode had flashing red/blue screens multiple times over six seconds (the final two second being in full screen). Numerous people had seizures because of this, thus making that episode banned worldwide. There are videos on YouTube, albeit slowed down, that show that certain part of the episode. The incident itself is about 27 seconds long. "Holiday Hi-Jynx" was banned because the character Jynx had a black face and big red lips, which looked like "blackface" (make-up), which is racist, thus forcing this episode to be banned as well. Jynx appeared another time, though with a purple face.

[edit] What The Heck Does Frank Zappa's Video have to do with Pokemon Banned Episodes?

I'm removing it... It kinda has to do with Blackfacing but it really doesn't explain what it means. I was confused.

[edit] Deleted Scenes

Wondering... shouldn't a list of deleted scenes be included in this article? --RedPooka 06:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

You mean cuts done in the 4Kids dub? That would be way too much, and there's already a site dedicated to it. -- RattleMan 07:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Arrgghhhuugahahhh???? I don't see it (or just can't find) the deleted scenes section on that site! --RedPooka 03:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

He mentions the cuts in his comparisons.

Though, there aren't usually any scenes cut other than the occasional seconds here and there. There's certain exceptions - such as the prologue to Pokémon Heroes - but they would fit better in the relevant articles rather than here. --Sonic Mew 14:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Electric/Computer Soldier Porygon episode name

See discussion at Wikipedia talk:Pokémon Collaborative Project#Electric/Computer Soldier Porygon. --WikiSlasher 04:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dratini episode - Banned everywhere?

I'm fairly certain I saw the Dratini episode before (I mostly remember the scene when he captures the 30 Tauros, as well as recalling them being used later in the tournament).I live in Quebec, Pokemon episodes are dubbed in French, but this at least proves that this one wasn't banned everywhere outside of Asia.

24.201.14.239 21:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)Barren Fischa, 25/10/06

I only know that it is aired in chinese... I think those countries using the US dub do not air it. I only knew that electric soldier porygon is banned everywhere. Ragnaroknike 04:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Legend of Dratini - Aired in the US?

I remember seeing the very end of 'The Legend of Dratini' when I was younger. I was flipping channels, not knowing about the 'lost episodes' being aired, and found WB. I saw something about lost episodes, then ash in front of... I think he was in front of a house with a brown roof, but note this was over 6 years ago. there was a Dratini somewhere in there, and I think I saw a Tauros. I know that this is really open to interpretation here, and that it isn't a reliable source, but when I saw the 'rumored to have been aired', it just jumped to my mind and I just HAD to mention it. Yadaman 23:05, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Bicker the Better?

Is that episode really banned? I live in the UK and I've seen it on Sky 1. --Sonic Mew 20:05, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I removed " That's actually not true, I live in the United Kingdom and i've seen that episode several times on Sky One" from the article. Encyclopedia's shouldn't speak in the first person. If someone can verify the extent to which the episode was or was not banned in the UK, then the segment can be edited. Maybe, the United Kingdom should just be taken out of the list of countries.

[edit] YouTube links

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 03:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Title problem

Unless governments are the ones doing the blocking, the word "banned" shouldn't be used. —tregoweth (talk) 16:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

maybe should change skipped episodes of pokemon Ragnaroknike 06:54, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pokemon and Turkey

To my knowledge all episodes are banned in Turkey after two kids committed suicide (or something like that). --Cat out 10:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

However, this article discusses specific episodes that are banned from being broadcast in various countries for whatever reason there is. I would think that a nationwide ban such as that would be of better mention in the article about the anime itself or the franchise itself, if you could provide more information about the banning.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 10:17, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ja:ポケモンショック

In Japanese Wikipedia, Porygon disaster has their own article. How about split Electric Soldier Porygon into the article about that episode and article about the disaster?--59.5.129.62 05:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)