Talk:Banausos

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The old version of this talk page is archived at Talk:Banausos/archive 1. It referred to a previous form of the article, which has been extensively rewritten.

This page did not need to be archived!!! This new article has been sanitized and cleaned. This article is not what was supposed to be originally. Much of the context of the word, like the disappearance of any connection to "peasant warriors" or "warrior ethos", gives a false impression. I grant that it is more technical but it has been cleansed of material harmful to democracy and to philodemocrats/socialists.

For the original article go to Wikinfo: banavsos. WHEELER 17:52, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

The present article distorts the facts a bit in suggesting that a prejudice against manual artisans was confined for the most part to the "extreme oligarchs" and to philosophers like Plato and Aristotle. In fact, the prejudice prevailed among almost all wealthy Athenians of the time. See the Oxford Classical Dictionary, 3rd edition, p. 185 and p. 178. Plato and Aristotle were simply reflecting a belief common among those in power, oligarchs and "democrats" alike. Isokrates 22:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Which word are you citing? Some editors have the online OCD. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:21, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

• To answer my own questions: "Artisans" asserts that artisans were limited in oligarchic cities, and for Athens mentions only "the condescension of Athenian 'intellectuals'" (scare quotes in OCD), while pointing out that Athenian artisans themselves appear to have been proud of their crafts.
• "Art" again, mentions an "aristocratic point of view" and "social and philosophical thought" while noting that there were exceptions, even for Xenophon: Phidias, Polyclitus, Parrhasius, and Zeuxis were respected, and Phidias and Praxiteles were among the wealthy Athenians of their time. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC)