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Contents 1 Comments 1.1 On the name 1.2 map is outcome of first balkan war 1.3 annexing Bosnia-Herzegovina 1.4 Neutral Wikipedia??? 1.5 Point of view ? 1.6 Population exchange 1.7 Edits 1.8 Expulsions

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[edit] On the name

The common name "Balkan war" is generally applied only to the two wars before the First World War. Other wars in the Balkans were by and large unrelated to those (especially as time moved on and circumstances changed) and thus have different names. I'm going to rephrase the article further to clarify this. --Shallot 15:40, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

It's entirely anachronistic to list pre-Ottoman wars as other wars in the Balkans when the word, and the term for the region, originates from that time. I'm going to remove the older wars that were recently added. --Shallot 19:36, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

I thought the Serbo-Bulgarian War in 1885 could be a good candidate for the list of "Other wars in the Balkans". I am new here, I might be wrong. --mitkouwcad 00:45, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

To Yankale: I thought that Turkey took part in the Second Balkan War, too. Why else did they move the line away from the original Midia-Enos arangement? mitkouwcad 18:11, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] map is outcome of first balkan war

In the second war Bulgaria lost some territory to everybody else, including Turkey which moved its border approximately to where it lies now. Mavros 16:35, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] annexing Bosnia-Herzegovina

I believe this annexation took place without Austria's involvement. Though it was added to the Austrian Hungarian empire, responsibility for the annexation itself belongs to Hungary independantly. Source: Strachan's "The First World War" - decent overview. --24.72.227.2 04:49, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually, now I have come across a source that claims an Austrian, Foreign Minister Aehrenthal, was the one responsible...though this is from an internet source, Strachan doesn't cite a specific individual. Not that it really matters, since this is such a minute detail. I thought it would have been interesting if this was solely a Hungarian decision. Oh well. Move on with your lives. --24.72.227.2 05:17, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Neutral Wikipedia???

Original comment by I sterbinski 13:45, 3 August 2005 (UTC) is here.

[edit] Point of view ?

"n light of this, Serbia and Greece sought compensation from the Macedonian territories that had been overrun by Bulgaria. Bulgaria unsuccessfully attempted to resist this by force of arms."

Eh, where did this come from ?

Most historical books I came across have a much different interpritation.

Bulgars do most of the fighting around Adrinople, the Greeks on the otherhand get the great prise of Salonika. The Bulgars are unhappy and launch an attack, some claim that its the Bulgarian government and others claim renegade generals, on their 2 allies.

But even in the most pro-Bulgarian sources I've never have I come across the argument that Serbia and Greece "sought compensation" from territories that Bulgaria already occupied. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.68.95.200 (talk • contribs) 06:38, 5 October 2005 (UTC).

the phrase you mention isn't just a pov problem it is abject revisionism, whcih actually charcterizes a lot of this article. The emphasis on Albanian issues is an outcropping of recent attention and throws this article completely out of synch with standard histories. DaveHM 12:33, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Population exchange

A number of ethnic greeks left Eastern Rumelia and settled in Greece between 1885 and 1913. Not sure if those have been included in the numbers given for Greeks leaving Thrace.Mavros 20:26, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

a large section on the populations exchanges needs to be added.DaveHM 11:58, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Edits

I am going to phrase lede paragraph in more neutal fashion.DaveHM 11:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

eg phrase: Bulgaria suffering defeat at the hands of her former allies and losing much of what she had been promised in the initial partition scheme. is not really POV since Bulgaria also gained territory in thrace which was not promised in inital protocols (this trigered a rathrr massive forced population exchange. )DaveHM 11:53, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

also this section is hihly problematic:

The Serbian- Bulgarian agreement specifically called for the partition of Macedonia, that resulted with the first Balkan war

Main article: First Balkan War

Serbia and Greece sought compensation from the Macedonian territories, which resulted in the Second Balkan War.

Main article: Second Balkan War

a) It leaves out the entire Thracian aspect of the war, which was eaisly half if not more.

b) it says Serbia and Greece sought compenstation which result" this is not the standard interpretation in any serious history of the second war, it is almost the opposite.DaveHM 11:57, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Expulsions

Why are only Turks, Greeks and Bulgarians mentioned? Didn't the Serbs suffer expulsions too? --PaxEquilibrium 20:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)