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Contents 1 How fast 1.1 Speed 2 Hawk 60 and 60A 3 T-45 origins

[edit] How fast

The article says The Hawk 60 is the current export version...... and is capable of Mach 1.2 -- but the box on the right lists a max speed of 633mph. Which should be amended? Moriori 21:50, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)

OK, no answer. I'll amend the box to Mach 1.2. Moriori 01:18, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)

Sorry to be late but I added an external link to a BAE SYS page. And there is "Max.Level Speed 545kt/0.82M". Also, the engine Adour Mk 861 seems non-afterburning (see [1], please) and I thought an aircraft with non-afterburning turbofan engine can hardly achieve supersonic (I mean, F/A-22 can). I don't know why User:DJ Clayworth wrote that but I guess this aircraft can't achieve supersonic. --Marsian 02:58, 2004 Jul 21 (UTC)

Hi Marsian. Because these figures can sometimes be confusing, I e-mailed BAE and asked for a definitive figure. They replied The maximum level speed of Hawk at altitude is 555 knots or Mach 0.84. However, the aircraft is capable of achieving a maximum of Mach 1.2.,so I have amended the article accordingly. Cheers. Moriori 22:22, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)

Sorry for late reply but thanks for asking. - Marsian / talk 07:46, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Speed

The Hawk is NOT capable of supersonic speed in level flight. Mach 1.2 is the dive limit, the maximum never-exceed speed for the airframe. It IS capable of exceeding the speed of sound in a fairly shallow dive, so the airframe is Area ruled to minimize transonic drag. That's a plus for training, because it introduces pilots to transonic handling without the cost of operating a true supersonic trainer, and it's a useful capability in the light attack role as well. ArgentLA 11 Jan 2005

I see. That makes sense. Thanks. - Marsian / talk 07:46, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

This article does not conform to Wikipedia standards. It sounds like an advertisement and suffers from hyperbole; the capability of the aircraft is a bit exaggerated.

The above comment does not conform to Wikipedia standards. It is unsigned, placed under the wrong topic, and it sounds like an advertisement for the Alpha Jet. -- BillCJ 15:27, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hawk 60 and 60A

What is the difference between the 60 and the 60As?

Initially I thought the 60As were the ones that are Sidewonder capable. However, I have come across photos of Zimbabwe's Hawks, dated 1982 with Sidewinders next (not mounted) to them. I also know that in 85 Zimbabwe scrambled 2 Hawks to chase what turned out to be a UFO. Back then Zimbabwe only had Hawk 60. It there suggests to me that the 60s were air defence capable.

Anybody with information?

Thanks.

World Air Power Journal Vol 22 says "In 1990 a follow-up order was placed for a further five Hawk T Mk 60As to the later export build standard". The design had probably had a lot of minor mods in the ten-years between deliveries.

[edit] T-45 origins

The article had unsourced statments of the T-45 being based on the Hawk Mk.50. I have changed this to Mk.60. I have three sources from two different publishers, plus [2], which state that it was developed from the Mk.60. I have added a ^{[verification needed]} tag for the time being. - BillCJ 18:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

No contest. Removing tag. - BillCJ 16:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)